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  • 3.0 Duratec FWD to RWD conversion...

    Crazy concept...

    What do you think of taking the Mazda V6 and changing it to a RWD vehicle...

    Do you think it's possible?

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    was thinking... if you gonna go through all that trouble why not change the trans also and make it a 6speed... hmmm.. I might have to include this in my future project... It won't start till the warranty stops though... and I have the extended one.. So hopefully I can gather all the info I need to do what I want...

    Maybe a TT V6 Mazda 6 AWD... It would be intresting... lol... Once it's out of warranty my wife said I can turn it into my project car. I was really excited about that especially since the tuner is out... 2 more years there should be a lot more stuff out I hope...

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    3.0 V6 RWD with a 6 speed manual trans would be nice?

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    Better engine? We have a great engine. The Nobles used the same block in one of there high performance cars... I think our engines are awesome and have been tuned in other application with high whp...

    The thing with our car is the ECU and that is one of the reasons people get a lot of CEL when tunning.. But now you can get the tuner...
    Also those darn precat and pvc valves.. Mazda error not the engine...

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    honestly, I want to have a project car with my son. I have a mazda and when he is about 3 or 4 I wanted to take it apart and do stuff with it... I really don't care what the heck we do with it. It's a project car. A car to be a one and only that my son and I worked on. Not a street car. I think we have a great engine with great abilities. A few people are using it as a daily driver with 8psi. Either using a supercharger or turbo... What I'm doing is just trying to get idea's...

    One of the things I ran into was our wheelbase. All the RWD or AWD that use our BLOCK engine wheelbase is 107.4" across 3 other ford platforms...

    While our car wheelbase is 105.3"

    the other thing was to maybe find another vehicle frame work that uses the 107.4 wheelbase then i might just have to extend the front which will give more room for working with when modding the car but I can get it to be RWD a lot easier...

    The thing I don't know is if I can use one of there transmissions and then get a 2.2" shorter drive shaft...

    Well there is a lot other things to think about.. but right now i'm trying to see if there is one working for our engine with the same wheel base. Then need to find out if it will work in our cars.. If I can do that I just saved myself a lot of money.. or if our car would be able to got with minor modifications in a car with a 107.4" wheel base car that has a stronger frame that uses our engine....

    Again, these are all theory... Nothing totally figure out.
    I just wish more people like, dude that would be awesome. you should go here for more information...

    Why do it? Because I can.

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    I'm researching this and I research what everyone tell's me. I'm 100 percent able to do this on my own and I always welcome everyone's idea and help. I'm fullly open to any suggestions and anythoughts that might be helpful if i do go ahead with the plans. The day i lose my intersted i will post it in this forum.

    If I was to do this project I would do it in steps

    1. Mod exsisting engine and learn how to tune engine properly with a single turbo setup. Learn everything about the engine because I'm going to be turning it 90degrees

    2. Gut out the entire car completely ( I want to learn every inch about the car.

    3. Do the RWD system and make the chassy stiffer.

    5. Install the engine and test it before I finish putting it all back together.

    4. Work the inside of the car and install roll bars and upgrade the inside the way I want (only gonna be a 2 seater now so might make it a coupe)
    Yes, I can cut, weld, and bend...

    5. Body kit, full effects, and paint job.

    My son and I will have a lot of fun on this. This is for me to spend time with my boy while he grows up. So once I start I will be in no hurry. I tell you one thing. When it's all said and done. My son and I would have a great car that we know everything about and have spent great time with eachother. Then it's on to have fun....

    Hopefully I can have a 3.0L Twincharging Mazda 6 V6 RWD Coupe with a 6 speed transmission and 800+hp...

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    Yea the jag did you a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.

    Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
    http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
    New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0

    I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.

    I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..


    Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD.

    So... I'm looking at this right now
    jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

    Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.

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    No problem... The tranny I use will be a big debate for a while... One... i don't fully know how much space is there for I can narrow down one that would be perfect for it. Right now I want to look at the size of the AWD on the speed6.

    now the jag rearend is smaller then ours by 2.1" I'm not sure about the lincoln. Do you have the year that you are talking about for the lincoln? i'm looking at the wheelbase information and rear track size...

    If I can find all the information i need about all the cars then it will be a little easier to narrow down what needs to be done.... Making the project a little easier...

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    Any picture would be a great help.. Surfing for that stuff is hard... lol...
    If anyone can help out.. I need pictures of 3 cars.

    Mazda 6, MS6, and the jag s-type
    The better the detail of each section on the bottom would be great... Then we can compare and see what we can make from it...
    If someone can figure out the what size tranny will be able to fit on the 6 would be awesome. Want to look at what trannies are out there. I heard a 5 speed is more recommended for more HP... ???

    Justin, If you are able to take those pictures of the Jag let me know. I'm think of everything I might want pictures of... Like how the engine is mounted compaired to ours. Things like that.

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    Posted on 6crew by me...
    Looks like some of my good friends(welder) in el paso want to get in on the build... So it will be my friends and there kids and my son and I. I have a friend who father is a master tech for acura/honda, gonna see if he wants to get in on the build... The more people brainstorming the less issues I hope. I will also be posting everything here as much as I can. For now we have to continue our brainstorming because now this is going to happen.. When? When I get out of Iraq and buy me a daily driver since right now my car is a daily driver. I want a truck...

    I don't think it will ever stop being a mazda 6, that is for sure. The engine and the body of the car will always be a mazda...

    Some food for thought and any help on this, as always will be greatly appreciated...

    Yea the jag did use a ATX but i'm thinking more a long the lines that we can see how they did there eninge mounts and how the engine was placed in the car. Might help in the design of the way the engine will be.

    Not only that since the car is a RWD might also be something to look at.
    http://www.autointell.com/nao_companies/ford/jaguar/jaguar-s-type-02/jaguar214.htm
    New Car Review: 2004 Jaguar S-Type 3.0

    I still run into the samething. The issues seems like it's gonig to be at connecting everything to the transmission that will be used.

    I'm just tying to look at how many ways I can go with this. I'm loving the idea more and more..


    Wondering if we can get the dimensions of the transmission for the mazdaspeed to see what else is there that might fit. that way we dont have the AWD tranny in there. Fully RWD tranny.

    So... I'm looking at this right now
    jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

    Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny.

    So... I'm looking at this right now
    jag engine design to see how it was mounted and how the frame is holding it in. Also, the rear setup for the RWD.

    Mazdaspeed AWD setup and tranny. See attached pic...

    Any details on the 2 cars and specs would be great. So far I was only able to find the attached pic for the Mazdaspeed...

    **Edit...
    Found that Jaguar did make a manual with the 3.0 with RWD
    http://www.cars.com/jaguar/s-type/20...A0&mode=search

    The wheelbase is longer then ours 114.5
    The Rear track is 60.7 which is about 2" shorter then ours.

    So our engine has been used as a RWD... hmmm... Damn need to get the specs of the jaguar and see how the engine is mounted and how their RWD system is setup...
    Will continue to dig further....

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    things i'm looking into...
    turning the engine 90 degrees is not going to be to hard. I have the jaguar stype and lincoln ls to see how it was setup in there car and maybe even use there engine mount.

    for the tranny the jaguar using a getrag 221. i don't want to use the transmission.. Not good for putting up the hp. I'm thinking of the tremec T5 but i'm still working on that. Still need to get dimensions on what will fit there first. a getrag 233 would be awesome and last forever!!! lol.. anyways it's open to options..

    For the front i'm just gonna disconnect it from the tranny... and keep it that way...

    For the suspension and rwd i'm thinking of using the MS6 setup.

    That is where I am at now..
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    I have to look into the musting I know they use the tremec tranny a lot.

    Yea with the supra I would never have to worry about the tranny just everything else lol... Though I think it will cost $$$ to find a used one. Also the GTR-Skyliner uses it...

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    If I can find information like this for our tranny, and the T56, T5, TR6060 would be great....
    Turbosupras Technical - Getrag V160 Transmission


    MTX all the way. The 221 getrag used in the jag from year 20002002 is a 5 speed manual RWD. Though I won't use the Tranny is horrible for more hp... I'm just gonna use the car for reference on how they held the engine and tranny. I would love to put in a getrag 233 would be awesome but then I have to change the gearbox and adaptive plate because it's a 6speed that is used in the toyota TT supra.

    What tranny do we have? I want to look up specs... If I can use the one we have now in the 6 then I don't have to worry about getting adaptive plates so it can fit a diff. tranny.

    http://www.fordcontour.org/topic/134...wd-conversion/
    http://www.6crew.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15794

  • #2
    Jesus, if you are going to type all that then you should just do it....... tell us when you are done.
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    • #3
      Go get em tiger!
      2000 Light Sapphire Blue Cougar | V6 | MTx
      '01 unmarked CVPI

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      • #4
        Originally posted by blu_fuz View Post
        Jesus, if you are going to type all that then you should just do it....... tell us when you are done.
        I do want to do it.. lol.. I just need sugestions for the Tranny and bellhousing and details about the RWD setup for the Duratec 3.0
        I want to have every detail down before i start on the poject. If I can get that down then I can do a cost estimate and find where to get the parts so I can get this progect ready to take off.

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        • #5
          damn , and i thought it was crazy that i wanted to figure out how to fab up a svt foci 6speed tranny to a csvt , . , seriously thow man it probably took you longer to type all that out than it would have to build the car lol
          98 csvt #4288

          duratec just kicked in yo !!!

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          • #6
            Maybe you can ask Goumba, if he still frequents here, some questions. He almost completed an AWD conversion and I believe he used a Jag X-type rear end. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't feel like searching.

            But yeah this will be a long project. I mean a long one. LONG. Few years long. Especially with your fairly lofty power goals and all the engineering involved. If you need pics of those certain cars, go to their respective car forums. We most likely won't have intricate pics of them. I know I don't. But good luck to you sir with your endeavours.
            Alex - Troll: '11 Mazda 2 GX w/ Convenience pkg Liquid Silver. (Fog's, Alum. Pedals, Rear Spoiler) Low, slow, loud...

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            • #7
              needs more Mid-Engined cougar...

              http://www.team-integra.net/forum/di...0&ThreadPage=1

              2002 Cougar
              http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z...roject%20Grip/
              2000 SVT Contour
              http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z...SVT%20Contour/

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              • #8
                Originally posted by CRG Racer24 View Post
                Maybe you can ask Goumba, if he still frequents here, some questions. He almost completed an AWD conversion and I believe he used a Jag X-type rear end. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, I don't feel like searching.

                But yeah this will be a long project. I mean a long one. LONG. Few years long. Especially with your fairly lofty power goals and all the engineering involved. If you need pics of those certain cars, go to their respective car forums. We most likely won't have intricate pics of them. I know I don't. But good luck to you sir with your endeavours.
                I don't think it will be long. The Mazadaspeed 6 already has the rear end that i need and it fits perfect in my car for the Mazda 6s. I have the engine and there is enough room to turn it 90 degree for the RWD setup. I just have to do redo the mounts and engine support. Which is not that hard. The mazda has a lot of space for a rear transmission already. The only problem is the Tranny connection. Once I figure that out it won't be to bad. I know someone used a T5 setup on the duratec 3.0

                The RWD conversion has been done before
                Duratec 3.0 Engine Swap - T5 Transmission Adapter

                T5 tranny and a Modified Bell housing. I believe you also need a custom flywheel. Someone else did that same setup on a Duratec 3.5 and they said it came out to $3,000 for the tranny, bell housing, clutch and custom flywheel.

                I also emailed David Godfrey to see if he can help me learn more about his setup that he has.

                T5 WC might be the winner
                T5 Transmission Rebuild - G-Force T5 - Modern Driveline - FordMuscle.com
                T5 PARTS transmission

                TR 6060 is a great choice and is made to hold down HUGE power...
                Tremec TR-6060 transmission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                TR-3550 TKO TREMEC 5 speed
                t5 to tko600 swap - Corral.net : Ford Mustang Forums
                TKO600 could also be an option... Looking into it all... Let me know what you think...


                For the power goals.. That will be in the future, first the RWD. For the Mazda I don't it will be that hard. We have people above 400whp already using that engine. The Noble have tested above 800whp using a twin trubo setup. The only thing is getting some of the engine parts forged like the pistons

                TGNY(mazda6club running a TT setup) said
                motor is good stock, but its up to you if you want to build it. 8psi on this motor is all good Daily driven all day everyday.
                forged stuff isnt necessary unless u wanna go big boost.

                and
                400whp is around the limit of the stock block with meth and a good tune you could get slightly more. 350whp-370whp is good all day on this motor is DD and good all day.
                you will have great drivability boosted, as you are not driving around in boost 100% of the time.


                Page 49
                3.0L Supercharger kit is done. Now Available! - Page 49 - 6Crew.com Forum

                and on page 50
                have been talking to some noble guys over the past year or so. basically same motor as our V6 just built for boost. we talk a lot comparing builds and etc.

                anyway, we started talking about our intake manifolds. and the big wigs with the major power and the builders that deal with them have run their plastic intake manifolds in upwards of 1.8bar or about 26psi with no issues other than one failure of one splitting. one out of the good amount of them out there.

                the lead builder of those also said he has personally taken then well past 1.8bar/26psi without issue. im thinking in the 30's. just waiting for him to him me back on it. so this is leading me to believe that the process of getting a metal manifold is pretty much not necesary. as there are noble guys with well over 800whp.....yea, thats right 800whp on the duratec.

                now im talking to them on some other things. but i wont give details yet. but i only posted this as food for thought for those concerned about boost and our plastic intake manis.

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                • #9
                  if your worried about getting everything ready before you start this project and how much money its gonna cost you I don't see this lasting too long.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by blackzilla View Post
                    if your worried about getting everything ready before you start this project and how much money its gonna cost you I don't see this lasting too long.
                    Worried about the cost? Nope, not at all.
                    Yes, I do want to get everything ready. Again, the only thing left is figuring out the tranny setup. i already know my Rear end setup and that is someting I don't have to worry about. The engine umm the only thing i'm worried about on that is the motor mounts and engine support. I'm probably going to use something similar to the jag set ups. Someone is working on getting me info on that. I know it still has to be customed to my car and engine but i'm not really worried about that. I'm just trying to figure out that tran. We have a lot of room and I won't have to make any modifications to the car were the tranny will sit except for the tranny mount and tranny support system.

                    Before I start I do want to know what I will be using so I can get that all in place instead of one piece at a time. I can setup the engine, tranny, and rearend system before I put it in the car and then do the mounts and supports once I get ready to install it. Once installed then I have to make some other mods for the engine since I turned it 90 degrees but i'm not to worried about that.

                    The thing I need help with is what tranny should I use bell housing and things like that. I know I need a custom flywheel and a bell housing adapter plate.

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                    • #11
                      Great update...

                      I spoke with David Godfrey. He also has a lot of information out there on cutom pistons and rods.
                      Duratec 3.0 Engine Swap - T5 Transmission Adapter

                      This is what it sounds like and I'm loving it.

                      He makes the Transmission adapter and it will work with the T5 and the TKO 600 bell housing. He said he can make it for me.

                      Cobra R Bellhousing with the TKO 600 transmission. I would have to get a custom flywheel. Which is about $2200. He has other contacts and when I'm intrested he is going to see if that price can go down. He has been running 6psi for 2.5 yrs with no issues and loves the engine. He also has the specs on the clutch that will take 500lbs or more. pair that up with the TKO 600 and man you got a great setup. He is going to email me more details and pictures tomorrow. If I find any information I will let you know. If anyone else intrested in the RWD setup PM me please... David is very very knowledgeable about the Duratec 3.0

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                      • #12
                        Astroperformance.com - Your Manual Drivetrain Specialist
                        $2200 for a new tranny...

                        $376 for a new Cobra R Bellhousing
                        Clutch is unknown but once I get the cost for it I will let you guys know.

                        Right now all the prices are new but I will shop around for used or parts and the yard to see what I can get them for.

                        So it looks like the Tranny setup will be about $6000 - $7000 all brand new... Might be able to bring it down to $4000-$5000 with used parts, for the flywheel you can't do much about that. Hopefully with the other contact the price will go down and people intrested in it.

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                        • #13
                          There was a model of a 4x4 Mondeo mk1 in UK. A few people in UK had their mk1 or mk2's converted to 4WD using those parts. (Mondeo is the European counterpart of Contour.) It is only available in manual transmission. Basically you'll need the MTX75 transmission, all 5 driveshafts (2 front, 2 rear and the prop shaft), rear transfer box, and gas tank and fuel pumps.

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