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Bringing Mondeo to US?

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Anyone ever thought of going into Mexico and buying a Mondeo just to bring it back to the US?? Seems like it would be pretty easy... but then again I don't know much about customs and cars...

www.ford.com.mx

http://www.ford.com.mx/vehicles/vehicles.asp?idModel=MON

Anyone look into this? Their Focus ST looks gorgeous as well :drool:

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They better. A little birdy told me Mercury is going to do it.

I'd personally rather not get another Ford, but if the Mondeo is coming over, I might rethink my decision.
 
Jeez, I don't even like hatchbacks, but that Focus is sexy. :drool:

SCC has a good article on the current US Focus. They slam Ford for giving the US market the same old crap. It's sooo painfully true. Just look at the move to go back to the Taurus and Sable names. What is Ford thinking? :help:

BP
 
They better. A little birdy told me Mercury is going to do it.

Was that little birdy me.....


Mullay demanded that he wanted a sexy 4 door here in the states. That was European. He picked up the magazine and threw it on the table and then said i want that car. Which in turn, was the mondeo...... When i heard the news i was like tell me more.....:drool: I told everyone at the table. What a bad ass that guy is.

Lets see if they do anything though???



By the way that focus is $25,480.00

Mondeo is $17,151.00 starting and 23,520.00 out the door.

Mondeo cheaper than the focus st. HA
 
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Anyone ever thought of going into Mexico and buying a Mondeo just to bring it back to the US?? Seems like it would be pretty easy... but then again I don't know much about customs and cars...

That's the big one!

In short: Not gonna happen!

I had a huge response for this, but I lost it (stupid mouse randomly jumps to a corner and caused me to click the X) :mad: Guess I'll do it all again!

Anyhow, to import a car, it has to meet DOT and EPA regulations, unless it's 25 years or older.

First thing is the car must be on "the list" of cars that are allowed to be converted to US spec. If it is not on the list, a registered importer has to petition the NHTSA so they can determine if they will even allow it to be converted...

After they 'allow' it to be converted the overall safety of the vehicle must be determined. If there isn't a "substantially similar" car already available in the US, then you don't have to crash test it. However, if there isn't one, and the NHTSA doesn't have a crash test on file for the model, you MUST provide 2 or 3 vehicles for them to crash test (at your expense as well).

After that hurdle is cleared, the following things have to be changed on a car to be able to import it:
• All glass (Must have DOT mark on them)
• Bumpers (Must be 5MPH rated)
• Headlights and all other lights/lenses (must have DOT mark)
• Speedometer (must read in MPH for the big numbers and odometer)
• Passive restraints (automatic seatbelts for 89+, dual airbags for 96+)
• Catalytic converter (must install new one)
• OBDII system on 96+

That's just a major component list... they go as deep as saying the brake lines must meet US specs!

Here's the huge catch... You're NOT ALLOWED to do this work... you are REQUIRED to have a registered importer do this work for you!

The cost you might ask? On one of the RI's website, they list the cost of a mid 90s Mercedes S class to be around $6000 to convert. Now, you have to remember... there is already a US spec S class, so there are already DOT parts made for the car that are more than likely interchangeable.

What about a car that doesn't have a US counterpart? I read on a Skyline forum where an RI chimed in to squash rumors of it being easy to import a Skyline... They said the going rate to convert a Skyline is $15,000!

So remember, the Mondeo (mk3) is not substantially similar to anything in the states, so you would have to pay an RI to petition the NHTSA, get all the parts custom made to bring it into compliance, then pay for the EPA to check the vehicle's emissions!

Is it worth it? :help:

Here's a good read from Wikipedia... I summed most of it up, but read it anyway:
wikipedia said:
The United States continues to use a unique set of standards for its automotive safety and emissions regulations, which do not always directly correspond to the standards of the European Union or Asian countries, which adhere to the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations. This means that vehicle manufacturers face considerable expense to type-certify a vehicle for U.S. sale, at a cost estimated to be upward of USD $2 Million per vehicle model. This cost particularly impacts low-volume manufacturers and models, most notably the makers of supercars. However, larger companies such as Alfa Romeo and Peugeot have also cited costs of 'Federalizing' their vehicle lineups as a disincentive to re-enter the U.S. market.

NHTSA and EPA regulations criminalise the possession of a vehicle not meeting U.S. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. Even Canadian-market vehicles may not meet these requirements. Exceptions exist for foreign nationals touring the US in their own vehicle and for cars displayed in museums.

Because of the unavailability of certain cars, demand for grey market vehicles arose in the late 1970's. This involved attaching certain equipment as required by the government. The agencies NHTSA and EPA would review the paperwork and then approve possession of the vehicle. It was also possible for these agencies to reject the application and order the automobile destroyed or deported.

The grey market provided an alternate method for Americans to acquire desirable vehicles, and still obtain certification. Despite the inherent risk, tens of thousands of cars were imported this way each year, during the 1980s.

The Lamborghini Countach was one of the first grey market vehicles, encouraging the Italian manufacturer to prepare a US model. The Range Rover was initially available only through the grey market, and the popularity of the model eventually convinced the parent company to re-enter the US market in 1987. Other manufacturers, like PSA Peugeot Citroën with the CX and Renault with the mid-engine Renault 5 Turbo, missed the signals sent by the grey market about American consumer tastes and demand.

This avenue was increasingly successful, especially in cases where only lower quality models were offered on the US market. For example, Mercedes-Benz chose to offer only the lower-output 380SEL model to Americans in 1981, ensuring a huge demand for the much faster 500SEL, which was available in the rest of the world. BMW had the same issue with their 745i Turbo.

The grey market was too successful and ate significantly into the business of Mercedes-Benz of North America Inc. This organization launched a successful congressional lobbying effort to eliminate this alternative in 1988. Allegations have been raised of improper lobbying, but the issue has never been raised in court.

It is no longer possible to import a non-US vehicle into the United States as a personal import, with some exceptions. In 1998, NHTSA granted vehicles over 25 years of age dispensation from the rules it administers, since these are presumed to be collector vehicles. It is also possible to certify the car though a Registered importer for DOT work and an ICI for EPA work, bringing in a number of cars to spread the cost of type approval and destructive testing. Destructive crash testing is not always needed if the vehicle can be shown to be substantially similar to a model sold in the US. The Smart Fortwo car is imported in this manner. Finally, the Show or Display law allows import of vehicle "of such historical or technological significance that it is in the public interest to show or display it in the United States even though it would be difficult or impossible to bring the vehicle into compliance with the Federal motor vehicle safety standards. This provision is intended to facilitate the importation of a make or model of a vehicle which its manufacturer never certified for sale in the United States." However, this provision still demands compliance with emissions standards.

The North American Automobile Trade Association is an association of dealers that buy and sell vehicles across international borders.
The NHTSA administers the Registered Importer Program that allows companies to import and bring into compliance non conforming vehicles.


LINKS:

NHTSA Vehicle Import Regulations - Everything you need to know is in there!

NHTSA "the list" of vehicles "allowed" to be converted - if it's not on there, an RI has to petition!

NHTSA list of approved/disapproved "show" vehicles - Note that show vehicles are limited in the yearly mileage, which is usually only enough to get on/off a trailer and to the garage or show spot.

And, just in case you were wondering:
NHTSA said:
10. Importing a disassembled vehicle.

A disassembled vehicle that is shipped without an engine and transmission is treated for importation purposes not as a motor vehicle, but instead as an assemblage of motor vehicle equipment items. Such an assemblage can lawfully be imported into the U.S., provided any equipment included in the assemblage that is subject to FMVSS, but was not originally manufactured to comply with that FMVSS or was not so certified by its original manufacturer, is removed from the assemblage prior to entry into the U.S. Equipment items that are subject to the FMVSS include tires, rims, brake hoses, brake fluid, seat belt assemblies, glazing materials, and lamps, reflective devices, and associated equipment.


If the assemblage is shipped with an engine and power train (even if those components are not installed), it would be regarded for importation purposes as a motor vehicle, and would have to be either manufactured to comply with all applicable FMVSS, and be so certified by its original manufacturer, in the form of a label permanently affixed to the vehicle, or be determined eligible for importation by NHTSA and be imported by an RI or by a person who has a contract with an RI to bring the vehicle into compliance with all applicable FMVSS after importation.
 
i went to have a look at those new focus ST at the dealership in singapore last month.... they had a blue one and the orange one, both with the ST stripe... they are gorgious !!
 
i went to have a look at those new focus ST at the dealership in singapore last month.... they had a blue one and the orange one, both with the ST stripe... they are gorgious !!

Heh... there was an orange ST in a dealership window out near where my wife's family is from... First time she saw it, she was like "I love that color!" Next time, she pointed at it and said she hated orange... :shrug:

There's a British guy on base back in Germany with an orange RHD ST. Pretty slick looking car.
 
I dunno about the crash test thing.

First of all, don't other countries crash test their vehicles??

But seriously, I know a guy who converted a car that is commonly used for a cab over in the UK. I mean, it is a cab...he had it converted to LHD and everything, but this is NOT a rich guy, and did NOT provide 2-3 other cars for them to crash - and no there is not a substantially similar car in the US either. I'll have to find out what car it is though...it's not 25 years old either.
 
what if you shipped a dissasembled car over and then shipped motor trans and various parts?
 
I dunno about the crash test thing.

First of all, don't other countries crash test their vehicles??

But seriously, I know a guy who converted a car that is commonly used for a cab over in the UK. I mean, it is a cab...he had it converted to LHD and everything, but this is NOT a rich guy, and did NOT provide 2-3 other cars for them to crash - and no there is not a substantially similar car in the US either. I'll have to find out what car it is though...it's not 25 years old either.

I don't believe other countries crash test vehicles... ADAC in Germany (equivalent to AAA) crash tests them, but they are a private company and have no legal authority over vehicle safety.

Somebody may have already brought the vehicle over, or they deemed that the car was safe already (maybe they have been crash tested in the UK?)... Who knows? Do you know if it was back in the 80s or just recently?

Also, it's pretty dang easy to just forge the paperwork by getting the VIN plates off a 25 year old one in the junkyard along with it's paperwork and putting them on the newer one. People do that with the old Minis all the time...

what if you shipped a dissasembled car over and then shipped motor trans and various parts?

The quote at the bottom of my long post covers that in the first paragraph... You can do it, but prepare to remove all the non-complying stuff on it (windows/lights/lenses/tires/brake hoses heh)...
 
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Not for an ST220! That's probly a 4 cylinder 5 speed stripper model!

From Ford.co.uk:

Mondeo ST 220 from £24,740

That's $47,696 USD!

The stipper model (although it might have had a v-6) is the one Top Gear tested against the Jag x-type, BMW 318 & Mercedes C230 Kompressor models. C230 had 40 more hp, and the Mondeo still killed them.

If Ford can bring a $22K car over here with superior fit & finish and properly promote it against the competition, I think they'll have a winner. Add a top of the line model with the D-35 TT or T and RWD or AWD respectively... :drool: I think a RWD turbo Duratec 35 powered Mercury would show VERY well against a G35, BMW 330, or just about anything else you can think of. Just imagine it with a proper build quality - not like our Contours. Ford will likely cheap out a bit on the materials like they did with the Mystique, and then change the interior to streamline production, but that will drive the price way down, I think.
 
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We will jsut have to wait and see if this something that the new Ford guy can do. If nothing else, it should stimulate ideas for options for the Fusion.
 
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