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Well, Edmunds likes it.

the best part of all of this is the rampant leg humping that was going down when the car was first announced!

personally, i wish they would have had the V8 in the car like was originally being talked about but i guess then the price wouldn't be as much a selling point.
 
TGO said:
personally, i wish they would have had the V8 in the car like was originally being talked about but i guess then the price wouldn't be as much a selling point.
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Their argument was both overall price and stolen sales from the regular Genesis. And you cant fault them for that when their target was the G37 that has stuck with a modern v6 and not the Mustang which of course has the v8. They say their v8 wont fit in the engine bay but I'm sure some tuner shops have already done it or are pretty close considering how many Coupes Hyundai sent out for people to start tinkering with.
 
TGO said:
i think most cars are fwd nowadays cause they're just easier/cheaper to build. not because anyone preferred them. i mean seriously, how many cars were fwd before the gas shortages when car makers started stamping out cheap, compact, economy cars? that's where fwd cars came from...cars that didn't necessarily have room for a rear diff and driveshaft.
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Idk about that, cars started getting really excessive again until the last few years, you still didnt see many RWD cars, and I dont think they are any cheaper to produce. Honestly I think that the average consumer is looking for a car that is easy to drive.

Take Japanese cars for example. The Corolla hasnt really changed in size since inception but early corollas were all RWD and were popular sport compacts. They switched the Corolla to FWD configuration to make an easier to drive car. Size didnt change, only fuel economy changes it has seen have been due to advances in engine building technology, only real change was the switch to FWD. Actually they started getting bigger since 91, several years after the switch to almost all corollas being FWD.

I know a lot of people are fans or RWD, but for most people (not all) they prefer a FWD daily driver. Even in a sports car. They wont admit it always, but its the truth. Otherwise more manufacturers would offer cheap rwd coupes.
 
chrisilversvt said:
no it simply means a couple of car rags OPINION that it is....
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You don't have to like it, or believe anything said about the car. I'm sure you're on the bandwagon that still cries out "It's still a Hyundai!"

Your opinion on the matter doesn't change the fact that what was said is still truth.

Before you come in here and whine about the truth, go through all the options on the car and tell me it's not the best deal for the price when compared to other RWD coupes under $30k. Until then, you're still talking out of your ass.
 
I dont see whats wrong with Hyundais, they are decent cars with great warranties. I would actually like to test drive one. Just the back half of the car is killing me. Oh well, I am not gonna be in the market for a new car for quite a while, and I still have to much fun fixing junkers.
 
FunInNorthDakota said:
Idk about that, cars started getting really excessive again until the last few years, you still didnt see many RWD cars, and I dont think they are any cheaper to produce. Honestly I think that the average consumer is looking for a car that is easy to drive.

Take Japanese cars for example. The Corolla hasnt really changed in size since inception but early corollas were all RWD and were popular sport compacts. They switched the Corolla to FWD configuration to make an easier to drive car. Size didnt change, only fuel economy changes it has seen have been due to advances in engine building technology, only real change was the switch to FWD. Actually they started getting bigger since 91, several years after the switch to almost all corollas being FWD.

I know a lot of people are fans or RWD, but for most people (not all) they prefer a FWD daily driver. Even in a sports car. They wont admit it always, but its the truth. Otherwise more manufacturers would offer cheap rwd coupes.
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you might want to read up on a little automobile history from Chrysler and Lee Iacocca...

"The Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard drove a mass changeover of cars in the U.S. to front-wheel drive. The change began in 1978, with the introduction of the first American-built transverse-engined cars, the Plymouth Horizon and Dodge Omni (based on the European designed Simca Horizon),[1] followed by the 1980 Chevrolet Citation and numerous other vehicles. By reducing drivetrain weight and space needs, vehicles could be made smaller and more efficient without sacrificing acceleration. Some suggest that the introduction of the modern Volkswagen Rabbit in 1975, from a traditional U.S. competitor, and also the Honda Civic, served as a wake-up call for the "Big Three" (only Chrysler already produced front-wheel drive vehicles in their operations outside North America). Ford's 1976 Ford Fiesta was its first front wheel drive car in Europe, GM was even later with the 1979 Vauxhall Astra/Opel Kadett. Captive imports were the US car makers initial response to the increased demand for economy cars. Front-wheel drive became the norm for mid-sized cars starting with the 1982 Chevrolet Celebrity, 1983 Dodge 600, 1985 Nissan Maxima, and the 1986 Ford Taurus. By the mid-1980s, most formerly rear-wheel drive Japanese models were front-wheel drive, and by the mid-1990s, most American brands only sold a handful of rear-wheel drive models."
 
Pen_Two said:
You don't have to like it, or believe anything said about the car. I'm sure you're on the bandwagon that still cries out "It's still a Hyundai!"

Your opinion on the matter doesn't change the fact that what was said is still truth.

Before you come in here and whine about the truth, go through all the options on the car and tell me it's not the best deal for the price when compared to other RWD coupes under $30k. Until then, you're still talking out of your ass.
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first of all did i say 'its just a hyundai",or anything bad about it at all?????so don't assume what "bandwagon"i'm on... when was i "whining" or talking out of my ass exactly?????your post makes no sense at all,wtf are you talking about???all i said is,some of you are making it seem like this is the greatest car in the world,because of what some car rags say about it....when you probably haven't even driven one....personally i'd prefer to drive the cars,and then base my opinion on them,by having actual seat time in them.....

and personally i like the genesis coupe,i think its a step in the right direction for hyundai...they have been making some pretty good cars the last couple of years...my point was just some of you,that are so in love with a car just from automotive publications praise,may want to actually drive a car before making that decision :confused:
 
99 red SVT said:
you might want to read up on a little automobile history from Chrysler and Lee Iacocca...

"The Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard drove a mass changeover of cars in the U.S. to front-wheel drive. The change began in 1978, with the introduction of the first American-built transverse-engined cars, the Plymouth Horizon and Dodge Omni (based on the European designed Simca Horizon),[1] followed by the 1980 Chevrolet Citation and numerous other vehicles. By reducing drivetrain weight and space needs, vehicles could be made smaller and more efficient without sacrificing acceleration. Some suggest that the introduction of the modern Volkswagen Rabbit in 1975, from a traditional U.S. competitor, and also the Honda Civic, served as a wake-up call for the "Big Three" (only Chrysler already produced front-wheel drive vehicles in their operations outside North America). Ford's 1976 Ford Fiesta was its first front wheel drive car in Europe, GM was even later with the 1979 Vauxhall Astra/Opel Kadett. Captive imports were the US car makers initial response to the increased demand for economy cars. Front-wheel drive became the norm for mid-sized cars starting with the 1982 Chevrolet Celebrity, 1983 Dodge 600, 1985 Nissan Maxima, and the 1986 Ford Taurus. By the mid-1980s, most formerly rear-wheel drive Japanese models were front-wheel drive, and by the mid-1990s, most American brands only sold a handful of rear-wheel drive models."
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I am aware of history. The point I was trying to make was that there is a reason aside from making the cheapest thing possible, or no way to make a small car RWD. Many cars were made RWD and still got excellent fuel economy while at the same time being cheap to produce and purchase, much of the reason it was standardized was also because consumers wanted easy to drive safe cars. Believe me, I am not talking about enthusiasts, just standard consumers. If there was a bigger market for cheap RWD cars there would be more cheap RWD cars.
 
chrisilversvt said:
first of all did i say 'its just a hyundai",or anything bad about it at all?????so don't assume what "bandwagon"i'm on... when was i "whining" or talking out of my ass exactly?????your post makes no sense at all,wtf are you talking about???all i said is,some of you are making it seem like this is the greatest car in the world,because of what some car rags say about it....when you probably haven't even driven one....personally i'd prefer to drive the cars,and then base my opinion on them,by having actual seat time in them.....

and personally i like the genesis coupe,i think its a step in the right direction for hyundai...they have been making some pretty good cars the last couple of years...my point was just some of you,that are so in love with a car just from automotive publications praise,may want to actually drive a car before making that decision :confused:
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With your disposition in your previous posts, it was easy to get the impression that you may have been close minded about the whole concept of a rear wheel drive Hyundai sports coupe. Now that you verified that what I got out of it was wrong, I do apologize for packing you in with that crowd.

But, I never said it was the greatest car in the world. Just that I'm willing to bet it will be the best RWD coupe for under $30k. Never once did I leg hump and say it's gods gift to man. There are plenty of better cars out there, but to compare them to it when it's not in the same class is moot to me.

I'm not basing it solely off car magazines. There's plenty of things you can read online about the car.

Also, as soon as my local dealer gets one in, I plan on test driving it.
 
99 red SVT said:
lol, I quoted the proof, but there are plenty of websites out there explaining the history of fwd...here's the one I quoted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Front-wheel_drive
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OMG wikipedia.... If its on the internet it must be true.

I dont need to do a search on the history, I know the history, you need to learn how to fill in the blanks, and dont trust everything you read on wikipedia. The article you quoted does explain why manufacturers started offering more front wheel drive cars, but your overall explaination = FAIL. You have to realize that once FWD started catching on, people loved it. Why not dig up some automotive magazines or consumer reports over the past 20 years or so. Educate yourself. Then go back and correct the wikipedia article.

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your original argument was that automakers started producing mostly FWD vehicles after only offering rwd vehicles because people preferred them. uh...how the hell would consumers prefer fwd over rwd vehicles when there were previously none?

car makers started making fwd cars to save on costs, and to produce smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. whether or not they caught on with consumers is irrelevant.

furthermore, this is all pretty much common knowledge amongst car enthusiasts, so i really don't know who's ass you pulled your theory out of - but it's still wrong.
 
TGO said:
your original argument was that automakers started producing mostly FWD vehicles after only offering rwd vehicles because people preferred them. uh...how the hell would consumers prefer fwd over rwd vehicles when there were previously none?

car makers started making fwd cars to save on costs, and to produce smaller more fuel efficient vehicles. whether or not they caught on with consumers is irrelevant.

furthermore, this is all pretty much common knowledge amongst car enthusiasts, so i really don't know who's ass you pulled your theory out of - but it's still wrong.
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No my original argument was that automakers continued producing FWD and produce primarily FWD because people preferred them. Read back. I wont deny that originally automakers started making FWDs when they were trying to produce smaller more fuel efficient cars. It was also common knowledge years ago that the only thing that came out of japan was cheap junk, that black people were inferior, leaches could cure disease by sucking out the bad blood, and that you could cure most psychological problems by drilling a hole in someones head to release the demons, but that doesnt mean its true. Go ahead, read back over some articles over the last 20 years, learn something. Many enthusiasts prefer RWD, but the average consumer wants the easy to drive FWD. Its simple economics, small rear drive cars can be produced and have been produced off and on over the last couple decades, but sales have been less than successful, except among niche buyers. Economics dont lie. A lot more rear drive cars would be available if there was someone who would buy them.
 
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