I need a PCM code...

[JoeM]

Takes 15 mins to remove and install a pcm. really easy to do.

:shrug:

I understand what your saying. but an SVT PCM is easy to come by.

OB1, Reebs or Bagged probably have them. As well as my self.

Can you post apic of what code exactly your looking for?
Weve given you 2 so far...
SFG0 and RLJ1

 

[SicSE]

Takes 15 mins to remove and install a pcm. really easy to do.

The point is that I don't HAVE another PCM.

I understand what your saying. but an SVT PCM is easy to come by.

It doesn't make any sense to me to get another PCM if I can just program the one that I already have... which I should be able to do.

Weve given you 2 so far...
SFG0 and RLJ1

I DO appreciate it, but I'm looking for a NON-SVT code.

 

[BrApple]

It doesn't matter what I say in response to that because you obviously feel differently.

I am trying to understand, hence the questions ...

Here you go again. The "right way" to do things is completely subjective - we'll get along much better once you realize this. Just because you wouldn't do things the way that I am doing them, doesn't mean that my way is "wrong".

I am not saying your way is wrong. but its becoming so round about who knows if you are going to ever get to where you want to be. Spending alittle more would get you there.

You have posted SEVEN times in this thread... SEVEN!! But not one of your posts has contributed an answer to my question. Aren't moderators suppose to help people keep threads ON-topic? If you can't give me/don't want to help me find, what I seek, that's fine, just don't post.

and you have at least 7 posts also saying the same thing, whats your point?

This thread is on topic, we are discussing the knock sensor and adding it to a vehicle that doesn't have one.

And there is another thing ... if one can't give you or want to help find what you seek don't post? so basically if one doesn't say want you want to hear you don't want them to post?

sometimes its really helpful to get outside view points from others. They will see things differently then you and might be able to help you come to a solution.

Also appearently you haven't bother telling us what equipment you have access to to do all this pcm reprogramming. For 99% of us out there there isn't an easy at home way to do what you seem to be proposing. So the bottom line easiest thing to do is just to swap the PCM and now wire up the knock sensor like you discribed.

Now back on topic.
Can anyone get me the tear-tag off of a non-SVT, 2.5L 'Tour, Mystique, or Cougar with an MTX, return fuel, 17lb injectors, and most importantly, a knock sensor?

good luck as its goign to be like a needle in a hay stack. as I have warned you will most likely want to stick with the same year as I am sure PCM coding constantly changes and just plugging in part of a code from a different PCM may not work.

 

[BrApple]

The point is that I don't HAVE another PCM.

buy one :shrug: as pointed out there are a number of members that might have one and they go for $100 or less ...

It doesn't make any sense to me to get another PCM if I can just program the one that I already have... which I should be able to do.

yeah if you can, what and how do you plan to do that anyway?

I DO appreciate it, but I'm looking for a NON-SVT code.

again code differences might not let you cut and paste part of the program.

ask 95pgt-t. he tried to put the SVT PCM program on his 96 PCM and even with PATS disabled it didn't work.

 

[SicSE]

This thread is on topic, we are discussing the knock sensor and adding it to a vehicle that doesn't have one.

This thread is SUPPOSE to be about a tear-tag number, (or PCM code as many seem to call it), for a non-SVT 'Tour, Stique or Coug with 17lb injectors, return fuel, MTX-75, and knock sensor.

so basically if one doesn't say want you want to hear you don't want them to post?

You couldn't be more wrong but it sounds like your mind is past changing.

Also appearently you haven't bother telling us what equipment you have access to to do all this pcm reprogramming.

I want to program my PCM with a different calibration and this is the only cost-free way, (that I know of), to do it, (with Ford software).

I am sure PCM coding constantly changes and just plugging in part of a code from a different PCM may not work.

I will be installing it as a blank PCM, so it will get all the code.

buy one :shrug: as pointed out there are a number of members that might have one and they go for $100 or less ...

And as I said, I WILL if need-be.

yeah if you can, what and how do you plan to do that anyway?

(with Ford software).

:laugh:

ask 95pgt-t. he tried to put the SVT PCM program on his 96 PCM and even with PATS disabled it didn't work.

Do you know if he did a blank module install?

 

[BrApple]

ok, I missed the part about the Ford software, your lucky to have access to it.

Do you know if he did a blank module install?

NO I do not. iirc correctly they where trying to write it dirrectly to his existing PCM.

And as I said, I WILL if need-be.

well it seems it would be the best all around solution. More agressive timing tables, the knock sensor, larger injectors, etc with out any aggrivation of tracking down codes and programming, etc. And most likely a better starting point for tuning anyway.

You couldn't be more wrong but it sounds like your mind is past changing.

no offense but this is how all your posts come across, even the ones before on FCO .... If I am truely wrong then I am sorry but this is how all your posts read. You are given valid counter points and ideas and they are all disregarded because it isn't about what you are getting at ...

 

[SicSE]

no offense but this is how all your posts come across, even the ones before on FCO .... If I am truely wrong then I am sorry but this is how all your posts read. You are given valid counter points and ideas and they are all disregarded because it isn't about what you are getting at ...

FCO... Ugh... don't get me started. Debate and theoretical discussion are all but impossible with Dom around.

It's not the counterpoint that I have a problem with, it's how it's presented. "I think that's a stupid way of doing things", and "You're stupid for doing it that way", say basically the same thing. But one makes you think... "he's got a point", while the other prompts more of a, "F*ck him" mindset. You implied that I was doing things the wrong way and that I'm cheap... it's hard to react favorably to that.

 

[BrApple]

FCO... Ugh... don't get me started. Debate and theoretical discussion are all but impossible with Dom around.

It's not the counterpoint that I have a problem with, it's how it's presented. "I think that's a stupid way of doing things", and "You're stupid for doing it that way", say basically the same thing. But one makes you think... "he's got a point", while the other prompts more of a, "F*ck him" mindset. You implied that I was doing things the wrong way and that I'm cheap... it's hard to react favorably to that.

point taken, didn't mean it that way.

It just seems like alot a greif to go through when you can just buy a SVT pcm and it will take care this knock sensor issue and you fuel issue all at once and provide a better starting point for tuning.

I'll see if I can get the code from a 98 mystique that has a knock sensor.

 

[SicSE]

It just seems like alot a greif to go through when you can just buy a SVT pcm and it will take care this knock sensor issue and you fuel issue all at once and provide a better starting point for tuning.

I have an extraordinary amount of faith in the factory tuning, and I have a hard time buying into the "you need a tune" mindset. That mindset costs a LOT of money for someone like me. I'm always changing things and testing sh*t, looking for a better way to do whatever, or get a little more power.

In the end, I want to be able to say that my hybrid ran problem-free with a factory SE PCM. But regardless of whether it works out that way or not, the next guy will benefit from my experimentation.

 

[SicSE]

Well... I plugged the codes from the sticky into our parts application and got all the part numbers associated with each calibration. Which kicks huge amounts of ass that I can do that, but it gave me some bad news. It looks like when they took away the knock sensor for 98, they also changed the MAFS & injectors... so pre-98's are a no-go. And when they put the knock sensor back in, for the non-SVT models in 99, they again changed the injectors and added the fuel pressure sensor... so late 99's and 00's are also a no-go. The SVT PCM looks to be the only sensible option. :bah:

 

[Keyser]

The best option is to reflash your ECU with a tune that is safe enough that you don't need a knock sensor. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. One of the first things I did in my SVT was turn off the knock sensor. I logged 1200 dyno runs on that car and made 388 fwhp in the AZ heat. You really don't need it if you tune correctly. Ford didn't use it, you don't have to either.

FYI I believe there is a early 99 Cougar that uses 17lb injectors and has a knock sensor. It's been years since I've touched the software so I forget the code. Good Luck.

 

[SicSE]

The best option is to reflash your ECU with a tune that is safe enough that you don't need a knock sensor.

Sure can't argue with that. However, I like the added piece of mind that a knock sensor provides, while allowing more aggressive tuning, (if I actually GET the PRP software, or something similar). IMO, dyno runs, and even road testing, don't always cover every driving scenario, climate and/or elevation change. I'll have a knock sensor whether it's needed or not.

FYI I believe there is a early 99 Cougar that uses 17lb injectors and has a knock sensor. It's been years since I've touched the software so I forget the code. Good Luck.

Thanks - I'll check it out.