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Synthetic blend drain intervals.

SVTJON87

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I have Motorcraft synthetic blend in my tour. The oil has about 4 months and under 1000 miles on it.

Should i treat synth blend like regular oil? 3 months and or 3000 miles.

thanks.
-Jon
 
3k miles is old had. I run dyno oil in my mystique for 4k miles. I'll run the mobil one in the other cars for at least 5k.

in the past some have gotten oil analysis. it showed that on mobil one they could go even longer if they wanted. this was already changing at a 7k interval.

I wouldn't worry about it to much.
 
Like BrApple said, 3K is an outdated spec. Every scenario is going to be a bit different based on driving styles, atmospheric conditions, and equipment condition. My personal opinion is that synthetic blend is a waste of money. Good 'ol low-grade motor oil has been time proven as sufficient for the "throw-away" scenario of 3-4K miles. But synthetic blend typically is not able to handle much more.

If you want ot truly benefit from the technolgical supremacy of synthetics, you have to invest in one that allows longer drain intervals and guarantees it. The better ones will even save you money in doing so vs. standard.
 
I am a little more concerned about the time. more than the miles on the oil. as i said the oil has about 4 months on it. I would rather not change it right now if I don't need to.

Again just wondering about months.
 
Month-wise you're good for about 5-6 months on standard conventional oil. I always end up changing my oil based on age rather than mileage because I walk to work and dont start up the car some days.
 
You can easily go 5,000 miles or six months with today's oils.

Or move to synthetic and go 10,000 miles or twelve months.

I'm seriously considering going to annual car maintenance.
 
One caveat I would add to the above advice is get the car out on the highway at least once every couple of weeks and burn off any moisture/fuel that might accumualte while sitting. Also don't crank and idle the car just to "get the juices flowing" all you are doing is contminating the oil with fuel. Get out on the highway and get the oil (not the coolant) up to operating temp. Also don't park the car and have it sit for a long time directly after a short little trip that didn't get the oil up to temp. If you follow this simple little plan you could easily go a year/5,000mi on the syn blend.
 
My concern is never about the oil's ability to run that many miles, but how dirty is becomes from air polutants. I have no doubt that the a full synth can go 10k but by that many miles there is likly a whole lot of dust and dirt in it.

Thats why I prefer shorter change intervals ~4k. And UOA from blackstone labs every 3 changes.
 
If you're worried about dust and dirt you need a better air filter. The UOA data for 3k-5k runs usually says you could have gone longer.
 
You can easily go 5,000 miles or six months with today's oils.

Or move to synthetic and go 10,000 miles or twelve months.

I'm seriously considering going to annual car maintenance.

*Highlighting the above is only to showcase my scenario*
I change mine once a year, every May. Of course I have no where near 10,000 on the car... with going to SZ and local trips, about 2,000 miles.
I use Mobil 1.


One caveat I would add to the above advice is get the car out on the highway at least once every couple of weeks and burn off any moisture/fuel that might accumualte while sitting. Also don't crank and idle the car just to "get the juices flowing" all you are doing is contminating the oil with fuel. Get out on the highway and get the oil (not the coolant) up to operating temp. Also don't park the car and have it sit for a long time directly after a short little trip that didn't get the oil up to temp. If you follow this simple little plan you could easily go a year/5,000mi on the syn blend.

That's pretty much what I do, a few trips on the highway every now and again.
My car usually sits with a battery-tender and every few weeks goes out for a nice run.
 
I run my car around for an hour or so ever few days. It hits the highway once a week or so. I row through the gears a few times a week as well. It by not means sits. It just doesn't tack on miles like most cars. I always make sure the car is driven long enough to fully warm up when i drive it.

My family is back to four cars again so i just take which ever car in the drive way is not being used. The SVT is in the garage and i don't feel like moving cars. That and there is a lot of road construction right now and no way i am driving my car through that crap. But we our way over due for new roads.
 
You can easily go 5,000 miles or six months with today's oils.

Or move to synthetic and go 10,000 miles or twelve months.

I'm seriously considering going to annual car maintenance.


i used to use amsoil series 2000 which is good for a year or 25000 miles. change the filter at 6 months and top off. i was usually doing10-14k per year and oil tests would be fine but i switched to amsoil xl7500. oil change every 6 months. i never do 7500miles in less than 6 months and i feel better driving the car with fresh oil every 6 months than the previous 1 year mark, even though i know amsoil series 2000 was very good and the 1 year interval was fine. recent oil tests still show fine and that i could go longer
 
i used to use amsoil series 2000 which is good for a year or 25000 miles. change the filter at 6 months and top off. i was usually doing10-14k per year and oil tests would be fine but i switched to amsoil xl7500. oil change every 6 months. i never do 7500miles in less than 6 months and i feel better driving the car with fresh oil every 6 months than the previous 1 year mark, even though i know amsoil series 2000 was very good and the 1 year interval was fine. recent oil tests still show fine and that i could go longer

In my opinion, that is overkill. But the overkill is no worse than my habit of using full synthetic and changing it every 5,000 miles.
 
In Europe, Ford say, that man should use semi-synthetic oil 5W-30 and change every 15 000 km ( ca. 9000 miles) or every year.
Other brands (Nissan or Citroen, for example) need full synthetic oil, and change every 20 000 or even 30 000 km... or every 2 years.
The oil grade is 5W-40 or 0W-40 usually there.
And I've heard, that it could be longer, but nowadays there's a problem with oil filters.
Because filters are the weakest point... It can filter properly not so long...
But the oil can do its job without problem...

Conventional oil is available only in 15W-40 and up grade, so people use it in old cars only (pre '90), so I can't tell how often they change.

I personally use semi synthetic, and change it every 10 000 km (ca. 6250 miles) or full synthetic and change every 15-20 000 km (10-12 000 miles)
I have no problem with oil consumption, or ride herself :D

I know that american engines are little bit different than european, but in my Mondeo, there's the same Duratec25 like in CSVT... and in manual, Ford ask to change oil every 10 000 miles...and this is american engine... even Motorcraft spark plugs and belts are "made in the U.S.A."
Maybe larger engines (which we don't have here, so we don't have manuals for Europe) need often oil changes, but Duratec25 and Duratec30 (please check Ford Mondeo ST220) do not need.
And we are talking about synthetic oli change in 2.5 Duratec engine.

So... if we can do it not so often, why you should?

Maybe if someone leaves in extreme dusty condition... but in "normal" climate?

Riding style and roads?
I usually drive 10 miles to work and 10 miles back, 100 mph higway, then 3 miles in the city, most the time idling (high traffic)...
Outside the city (going for skiing, or river, or just to spend my time) usually 60 mph...
I drive ca. 16 000 miles per year.

Weather?
Temperature in the year is from -18 or -4 F in the cold winter, usually 23-32 F in the winter, up to 22-86 F in the summer...

I don't know the real reason, that you should change your synthetic oil every 3000 miles...
Conventional - that's clear - it's worn earlier, because it's not ideal.
But synthetic? It is. Every molecule has it's own place, it's clean... it's synthetic... Every detail is made by engineers...

Maybe, the reason is, that it was necessary in old days, and now it'a a tradition (my grandpa did, my father also, so do I), and it's perfect for oil companies, that every American buys 6 or 10 qrts of oil 4 or 5 times a year...
I buy 6 qrts twice a year for my car, and once a year for my wife's one (she drives to work only).
 
Conventional - that's clear - it's worn earlier, because it's not ideal.
But synthetic? It is. Every molecule has it's own place, it's clean... it's synthetic... Every detail is made by engineers...

Not quite. Synthetic oils still use a conventional oil base along with their synthetic additive package.
 
This is semi synthetic as I know.
Mineral oil, but then hydrocracked, to be "better build"

Full synthetic is made from the scratch - molecule by molecule... All chains are being build synthetically. Like LEGO system.

But this is what I know... I can be wrong :D
 
Not quite. Synthetic oils still use a conventional oil base along with their synthetic additive package.

No. The base oil is synthetic. It is not the additive package that makes it synthetic. Synthetic blends use a combination conventional oil and synthetic oil base stocks before the additive package.
 
This is semi synthetic as I know.
Mineral oil, but then hydrocracked, to be "better build"

Full synthetic is made from the scratch - molecule by molecule... All chains are being build synthetically. Like LEGO system.

But this is what I know... I can be wrong :D

It isn't that simple. The building blocks come from crude oil. Synthesis refers to the act of building them up sort of like you describe. It is of making larger molecules from smaller ones. Sometimes it follows the action of "cracking" or making smaller ones from bigger ones. It still starts with crude oil.

Some of today's so called synthetic oils only have a very slight synthesis and is mostly hydro-processed crude oil until it is so well cleaned that it is nearly water clear. This is Group III blending stocks. Castrol was the first to push the envelop for this to be called synthetic. Today most "synthetic" oil sold in the US is mostly Group III. The notable exceptions are Mobil 1, some of the Amsoil blends, German Castrol, and Castrol Edge.

Some of the most highly refined Group III approaches Group IV in performance. Approaches, but not quite there.

I don't think Group III is recognized as synthetic in most of Europe.
 
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