warmonger
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Hahaha, too much time on your hands too. Nice pic though.
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TRicker
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the amount of charged side piping concerns me.....that is a lot just for a FMIC....i'd rather pay more and get one like yours burrita!
BurritaSVT
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well tricker if you are talking about the water to air that setup will cost alot more because the intercooler is like 500.00 by itself then you have to get hoses and a water tank another 200.00 then yu have to find a pump about 100.00 and then a nice 6 pass heat exchanger run about 100.00 so you are looking at somewhere in the range of 800-1000 total air to water where i can do the air to air for about 400-500 plus the run will not be all that bad since my piping will remain the same size as the turbo outlet 2" all the way back to the 2.5 pipe before the TB. By keeping the pressure side smaller it will eliminate turbo lag and not hamper the performance by hardly anything noticable. I am almost certain I can fit a thicker core too so I will increase flow and effeicency by stepping up .5" thicker.
Bugzuki
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I do not know what Burrita's intercooler looks like, but I was wondering if one like this was considered?
If you want anything drawn up in CAD I have a fully licensed verision of Pro/Engineer Wildfire 3.0.
About the CAI question. The turbo is drawing in the air, so I think in the end you will have the same air pressure with or without the CAI. With the CAI the air will only be a little denser, until it gets compressed and heated by the Turbo. That is what the intercooler is for. I am also sure the turbo could supply a little more pressure to overcome any effect from not having a CAI.
If you want anything drawn up in CAD I have a fully licensed verision of Pro/Engineer Wildfire 3.0.
About the CAI question. The turbo is drawing in the air, so I think in the end you will have the same air pressure with or without the CAI. With the CAI the air will only be a little denser, until it gets compressed and heated by the Turbo. That is what the intercooler is for. I am also sure the turbo could supply a little more pressure to overcome any effect from not having a CAI.
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BurritaSVT
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bugski
The intercooler I have is maxed out on height. It is 6 inches tall and the length seems to be good at 27" I am not sure of demisions but the intercooler seems small plus I not a flow expert but the air changes directions by 90 degrees with no curve will hamper the flow and velocity i would think. keeping the air flow smoother and straighter will most likely not create turbulance or change the speed and reduce restriction too.
The intercooler I have is maxed out on height. It is 6 inches tall and the length seems to be good at 27" I am not sure of demisions but the intercooler seems small plus I not a flow expert but the air changes directions by 90 degrees with no curve will hamper the flow and velocity i would think. keeping the air flow smoother and straighter will most likely not create turbulance or change the speed and reduce restriction too.
TRicker
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i have the same intercooler you are using right now, burrita. it is small, if you can go thicker, i would think about it. mine seems to be a major restriction on the supercharger, of course it's a slightly different game with that.
warmonger
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The intercooler Bugzuki is showing is one of the best types because it has the same frontal area but a whole lot more flow-through area for the compressed air. If you run the end tanks the other way you restrict the throughput of the intercooler and increase the path length of the air in the cooler, thereby increasing drag.
Tricker, yours is the other longer type. There is no helping that it will always have a high pressure drop. If burrita makes it any thicker then it will reduce the efficiency because outside cooling air will not pass through as easily.
Of course you have to use what you've got but there is a point when too much restriction eats up your power margin.
At that point you just make a cheaper water to air intercooler if packaging is such an issue.
Tricker, yours is the other longer type. There is no helping that it will always have a high pressure drop. If burrita makes it any thicker then it will reduce the efficiency because outside cooling air will not pass through as easily.
Of course you have to use what you've got but there is a point when too much restriction eats up your power margin.
At that point you just make a cheaper water to air intercooler if packaging is such an issue.
warmonger
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I do not know what Burrita's intercooler looks like, but I was wondering if one like this was considered?
If you want anything drawn up in CAD I have a fully licensed verision of Pro/Engineer Wildfire 3.0.
About the CAI question. The turbo is drawing in the air, so I think in the end you will have the same air pressure with or without the CAI. With the CAI the air will only be a little denser, until it gets compressed and heated by the Turbo. That is what the intercooler is for. I am also sure the turbo could supply a little more pressure to overcome any effect from not having a CAI.
Who makes this type and where is it available at?
BurritaSVT
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right click tom and hit properties al little secret........
The demisions on the intercooler you posted is 20 x 14 x 3.5 it will no way at all fit in the front grill. I will do a temp log and a pressure drop to see how effecient the intercooler is when we install it. The turbo kit will give the best power for your money . Now like Tom said you can always custom fit the cold side any way you like. But I think after you see the results then you will change your mind plus it does have a nice appeal to the intercooler. I will paint SVT in my intercooler becuase I want the signature to stand out too.
The demisions on the intercooler you posted is 20 x 14 x 3.5 it will no way at all fit in the front grill. I will do a temp log and a pressure drop to see how effecient the intercooler is when we install it. The turbo kit will give the best power for your money . Now like Tom said you can always custom fit the cold side any way you like. But I think after you see the results then you will change your mind plus it does have a nice appeal to the intercooler. I will paint SVT in my intercooler becuase I want the signature to stand out too.
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Bugzuki
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There is also this one with some different sizes:
http://www.roadraceengineering.com/intercoolers.htm
teamSVTour
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Here is the intercooler just came in Fedex It is a beauty I will position it in the car and send a pic later.
Ok I mounted the intercooler and the brackets. Now I can clearly see the aluminum piping will have no problem with clearances. When the kit will be installed the front bumper will be off making the install so easy to do. The radiator will remain in and the air deflectors will be removed. Here are some pics of the intercooler mounted clearily visible so that the mustang might be worried some.......lol. I will give you some more pics once I get Mark's car in the air .........
Im no pro on turbo's or FMIC's in the least but doesn't that look a tad on the small side? When its on the car it looks no bigger than the "oval" grill
The Digital Slacker
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Im no pro on turbo's or FMIC's in the least but doesn't that look a tad on the small side? When its on the car it looks no bigger than the "oval" grill
Well, from my limited understanding on the issue I think its a combination of:
1. Low cost kit
2. Is ment to be a fairly 'safe' kit for our engine (read: low boost)
3. Larger intercooler would block more of the rad and possibly cause heat issues.
BurritaSVT
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I don't want everyone to jump the gun yet. I am going to put the largest intercooler that can fit in there. Once I get the car here Sat. I will take off the bumper and see if I can fit a larger intercooler regardless. I will keep this one and buy another large one and compare the two temps and pressure drops. I am more worried about Temps then back pressure first off. The turbo will be able to overcome a little pressure because it will be larger enough to do so. I think I can get a longer and thicker one in there. I might have to cut a little to test but if there is no significant difference I will minimze cutting.
TRicker
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aye, that's where i was going. i have the same intercooler, and i think it's restricting the hell out of my supercharger setup. if you can fit bigger, go bigger. thicker and longer would be easier than a taller one. keep it up burrita!
keep it up burrita!TRicker
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oh and another slightly off topic question: if i wanted to upgrade to a water/air intercooler, where would i get the exchanger, and the intercooler itself? it would have to be oriented like burritas, with the inlet in the bottom and the outlet out the side....as my piping comes up from the same position as where you turbo guys have yours....
BurritaSVT
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tricker did you do a before the intercooler psi and after to see the difference in drop? If so how do you know it is restricting besides guessing. But yes Tricker I will do the thickest one but the length will be limited too. The length will only help on the temps the thickness and height will give it more flow. I can increase the height by 1 inchor so and the thickess to 2.75 or 3ish we will be right in the ball park for all of us.
BurritaSVT
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Tricker if yours comes up in the same place I can get you one ready to go for about 700.00 with heat exchanger
TRicker
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good idea on the intercooler burrita.....and no i have not tested it yet.... i still have to pick up CSVT#49's boost guage to test it out, but the power is significantly lower with the intercooler in. we'll see for sure once i get the new belts and get it up and running again. last time i had a boost leak and it blew the belt after about 2 miles
TRicker
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okay burrita i am very interested i will contact you as soon as i have funds and decide exactly what i am planning on doing. i would prefer it had a bung for the BOV on it also, like your old one. thanks again
JEFFtourCT
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my buddy was telling me about this Mr. Freeze "chemical intercooler". dyno proven on one mustang with a pro charger to increase it by 92hp. mainly for cars with forced induction.. ever hear of it?
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