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striker2 said:
doesnt look like your other post mentions drag racing to me :shrug:

NASCAR is a sanctioning body of racing, they race from a roll.
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MxRacer said:
if i'm racing someone, it's a 1/4 mile. :shrug:
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MxRacer said:
chicken? LMFAO! it's not my fault you're working off the wrong platform! in a timed drag race, it's always 1/4 mile or less. "rolling" is not a valid race. i don't see any NHRA classes for it, do you? :rolleyes:

besides, this discussion is about acceleration, not handling. though i think a stock SRT will hand a stock CSVT it's ass on a road course too.
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MxRacer said:
are you coming to SZ? i'll bring an SRT-4 and $1000.00 cash. 1/4 mile, heads up. i'll make sure you remember losing to one. :laugh:
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MxRacer said:
i don't think it's a matter of affording slicks, really. you can pick up a set of slicks pretty cheap. it's a matter of snapping half-shafts and poor suspension design (for straight-line acceleration).
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next time read the thread in it's entirety before flapping your gums. ;)
 
Mad_Medeiros said:
BTW 2 more things,

stage 2 srt-4's with goodies will put down 280-300 WHP no problem, and I drove a civic that could spank 75% of cars on this site....

Try to put me down because I drove one? well of course I'm going to get on the defensive side..

and to think I use to LOVE this website, its full of a bunch of guys thinking contours are still the greatest cars in the world...

I know srt-4's arent as well, but there alot more damn fun to drive IMO.
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Well once you start running your mouth off on stuff you don't even know what you are talking about, then yeah people are going to get after you about it. Just because YOU owned two crappy tours doesn't mean all of them are unreliable. And just because YOU think the engine can't handle a turbo doesn't mean that it can't. And just because YOU think your cars are better doesn't prove anything either.

You throw a decent 3.0L with headers into these cars and they will be running 14's all day long just like all your other cars. Heck, Demon hit a freakin' 13.47 or so on his 3.0L NA just because he used real drag tires. And we ALL know this car was not ment to be a drag machine.
 
FYI... i hope you guys don't think i'm disparaging contours. i think they are better overall driving cars that neons. for the money the se and svt variants were great cars.

but, there are 10 second srt-4's out there, and not one 12-second CSVT that we know of. and 'dems da facts!
 
BAD SVT said:
dang it! this just got interesting too. u guys arent worth my time. if u wanna drive around in ur neon thinking u're all that, be my guest. check out what ur fellow peeps on ur forums think. i already posted one. besides, like i said...
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hey, you didn't answer my question. are you coming to SZ or not?
 
MxRacer said:
FYI... i hope you guys don't think i'm disparaging contours. i think they are better overall driving cars that neons. for the money the se and svt variants were great cars.

but, there are 10 second srt-4's out there, and not one 12-second CSVT that we know of. and 'dems da facts!
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And ain't that a fact! the second part tough

for the money tough... I rather have something to keep up with the times.

SVT contour = glorified contour... and IMO, 20 extra hp.. some ground effects? for how much more money?

I will still admit svt contours are def. a hot looking car, but thats the ONLY thing they got going for them..
 
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Mad_Medeiros said:
And ain't that a fact! the second part tough

for the money tough... I rather have something to keep up with the times.

SVT contour = glorified contour... and IMO, 20 extra hp.. some ground effects? for how much more money?

I will still admit svt contours are def. a hot looking car, but thats the ONLY thing they got going for them..
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Well, considering I got my SVT for $2000 so it wasn't that much more money, and it was still cheaper than a SRT-4. And looking good is the only thing that they have got going for them? Well how about the fact it does better on the skid pad than a SRT-4. How about it is STILL one of the most well rounded cars out there today despite the fact that it is 10 years old.
 
Mad_Medeiros said:
I've owned more cars then you.. imports domestics, you name it.
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You don't even know me:laugh: How can you say this. :rolleyes:


Mad_Medeiros said:
Too bad he needs ALL new internals to support the extra power.
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If you've been here as long as you say you have, then you would of known that this statement you gave is FULL OF BS. :help:

Also who cares what you think statistics is statistics./

In 1995 the base neon ran 16.7's 1/4 mile while doing .84g's
In 1995 the contour ran 16.2's 1/4 mile having a .87g's on the track.

1999 dodge neon rt 16.2's 1/4 and .86g's
1999 Ford CSVT 15.4's 1/4 and .90g's

Hmmm i wonder what car i would of picked if it was 1999.

For comparing cars today. i would buy a mazda speed3 and call it a day. Not a neon, but again its my opinion.
 
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once again let me correct you...

Base neon 16.7, base contour.. what? high 17's?

96 ACR/EXPRESSO neons, mated to a 5 speed.. were 15 second cars, piece of junks mind you.. but quick little buggers

get it in your head man, Neon/Contours were CHEAP american ECONOMY cars.
if it makes you that upset, and in that much denial to realize that, you def. need a reality check!

Stop comparing apples to oranges too.

if the contour was so well rounded why were sales so poor? at least that Base neon, ... for some odd reason, SOLD well.

and btw those times you are getting off that stupid internet list, lol..

well another news flash, I owned a 2004 R/T neon prior to my SRT... it ran a 15.6, not to shabby eh?

For comparing cars today, I would buy an evo X.. not a ford, just my opinion tough :p

mazdaspeed 3's are nice.. just not a very good bang for your buck deal imo.. and with tranny mounts break everywhere, and expensive tuning, no thanks.

this convo is never going to end.
 
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Mad_Medeiros said:
SVT contour = glorified contour... and IMO, 20 extra hp.. some ground effects? for how much more money?
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well, you have to view the CSVT in the same light as something like an A4 or a 325 (though be it a low-buck version).

the CSVT is hands down a more refined car, and more satisfying to drive on the whole. but, in a drag race or on a roadrace course, the SRT-4 is the better car.
 
elraido said:
Well, considering I got my SVT for $2000 so it wasn't that much more money, and it was still cheaper than a SRT-4. And looking good is the only thing that they have got going for them? Well how about the fact it does better on the skid pad than a SRT-4. How about it is STILL one of the most well rounded cars out there today despite the fact that it is 10 years old.
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Well I'm sorry if all you can afford is a $2000 car.. I rather purchase something newer.

and really the skidpad :censored::censored::censored::censored: is nice and all.. but are you really driving around the streets trying to test out your g's? if so.. Please stay away from me and my family.

oh and another newsflash boys, look up the skidpad data for an 05 SRT4 ACR.. .86g's.. I didn't know .000004 would make a car so much better? lol
 
MxRacer said:
well, you have to view the CSVT in the same light as something like an A4 or a 325 (though be it a low-buck version).

the CSVT is hands down a more refined car, and more satisfying to drive on the whole. but, in a drag race or on a roadrace course, the SRT-4 is the better car.
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I really hate to say this

But please do NOT compare a contour to an A4, or a 325... thats just an insult. interior's on the contour weren't nearly as well built as those 2 cars... one had awd, and one was rwd. (coming from driving all front wheel drive cars, fwd - FTL)

But onto your point, I don't know about you but what satisifies me is going 120-130 MPH down a track, or ripping it on toronto motorspeed way, flyind around bends and ripping apart mustangs.

So I guess its just how you see things, maybe I am biased, after owning 2 contours.. (Mind you I didn't mind the zetec atx), but the se.. was just down right terrible.. the motor was always fine, the tranny and clutch on the other hand.. ugh. even working on the car was a mechanics worst nightmare.
 
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At the end of the day, without having to do a "mod" an svt contour can roll down the rear door windows with a switch from the driver's seat. a neon, cannot. :laugh:

so when you roll up to a hardass in an SRT4, just roll down your rear windows and smile.
 
Mad_Medeiros said:
once again let me correct you...

Base neon 16.7, base contour.. what? high 17's?

96 ACR/EXPRESSO neons, mated to a 5 speed.. were 15 second cars, piece of junks mind you.. but quick little buggers

get it in your head man, Neon/Contours were CHEAP american ECONOMY cars.
if it makes you that upset, and in that much denial to realize that, you def. need a reality check!

Stop comparing apples to oranges too.

if the contour was so well rounded why were sales so poor? at least that Base neon, ... for some odd reason, SOLD well.

and btw those times you are getting off that stupid internet list, lol..

well another news flash, I owned a 2004 R/T neon prior to my SRT... it ran a 15.6, not to shabby eh?
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ATX Zetec: 10-11 to 60, 18-ish in the quarter
MTX Zetec: 8.8 to 60, 16.8 in the quarter
ATX Duratec: 8.7 to 60, 16.7 in the quarter.
MTX Duratec: 7.7 to 60, 15.8 quarter
SVT Duratec: 6.9 to 60, 14.9 quarter

The reason why it didn't sell well in the U.S. was because it was inbetween the Escort and the Taurus in size. Not too many people wanted the one inbetween. You do know how well it sold in Europe, right? In England they even have a term called Monedo Man. Look it up.
 
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