99RedCSVT
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Tom...it's spelled tires not tyres.:laugh: just to add fuel to the rampage.:laugh:
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Good Idea for Street Racing Deterent?
- Thread starter Torkmonsta
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morbid
Hard-core CEG'er
And... to put this danger into perspective, the NHTSA stats for 2006 put the number of street racing related injuries/fatalities below the cause labeled "below speed limit". I believe the number was 2,000 nationwide, and 4,000 for the slow people. Compare that to drunk drivers which killed (maybe also injured) 400,000 people in that year. Do you think they should be putting so much effort into something thats nothing more than a political charade?
For those that are for crushing street racers cars, why such an extreme punishment... when DUI offenders essentially (or comparatively) just get their hand slapped?
<sarcasm>If I'm stealing cable and am caught, should they crush my house?</sarcasm>
I saw a news article about some part of Canada that is "getting tough on street racing" because their providence had 3 street racing fatalities within several months. The political pawn was calling for a massive budget to battle the problem... including a fleet of helicopters and airplanes. They don't track traffic related fatalities (beyond what's in the news), but they had an estimated 100,000 DUI related fatalities the prior year.
Bottom line: if they're going to be stealing civilians cars and crushing them, it would be far more effective doing that to DUI offenders.
For those that are for crushing street racers cars, why such an extreme punishment... when DUI offenders essentially (or comparatively) just get their hand slapped?
<sarcasm>If I'm stealing cable and am caught, should they crush my house?</sarcasm>
I saw a news article about some part of Canada that is "getting tough on street racing" because their providence had 3 street racing fatalities within several months. The political pawn was calling for a massive budget to battle the problem... including a fleet of helicopters and airplanes. They don't track traffic related fatalities (beyond what's in the news), but they had an estimated 100,000 DUI related fatalities the prior year.
Bottom line: if they're going to be stealing civilians cars and crushing them, it would be far more effective doing that to DUI offenders.
StealthWyvern
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And... to put this danger into perspective, the NHTSA stats for 2006 put the number of street racing related injuries/fatalities below the cause labeled "below speed limit". I believe the number was 2,000 nationwide, and 4,000 for the slow people. Compare that to drunk drivers which killed (maybe also injured) 400,000 people in that year. Do you think they should be putting so much effort into something thats nothing more than a political charade?
For those that are for crushing street racers cars, why such an extreme punishment... when DUI offenders essentially (or comparatively) just get their hand slapped?
<sarcasm>If I'm stealing cable and am caught, should they crush my house?</sarcasm>
I saw a news article about some part of Canada that is "getting tough on street racing" because their providence had 3 street racing fatalities within several months. The political pawn was calling for a massive budget to battle the problem... including a fleet of helicopters and airplanes. They don't track traffic related fatalities (beyond what's in the news), but they had an estimated 100,000 DUI related fatalities the prior year.
Bottom line: if they're going to be stealing civilians cars and crushing them, it would be far more effective doing that to DUI offenders.
I'm with you on the DUI thing. Personally I feel that first act should be a huge fine and a 4 point ticket, 2nd act, even larger fine another huge ticket and a few days in jail, 3rd time you lose your driving license for life BUT thats me.
zorrex
Enjoys the Abuse
If someone stole a cop car and raced it, would they crush it? The whole idea of the state stealing cars from individuals.. then destroying them is just stupid. Though, I give them permission to crush that Hummer with the hydrolics.
You are stupid. They're not going to just crush the car, not knowing who the owner is. They're going to prove ownership and THEN crush the car, idiot.
This is a really good idea, but only to a certain extent. The whole concept of "street racing" should be categorized as an event where vehicles are drag racing on public roads. It shouldn't include individuals driving at highly illegal speeds on the highway, etc.
kscontourkid
Veteran CEG'er
^^^ that in itself is the reason this is absolutely stupid. what is street racing by law? it is like wreckless driving. i have spoken with a few judges about it who agree it is a joke. it cannot be defined or proven without specific video and or multiple eye witness accounts. spinning your tires could be considered street racing as well as wreckless driving.
without a very specific set of guidelines for convicting someone of this act street racing cannot be charged on someone justly. i am not totally against crushing cars however that should be just like the death penalty a last resort punishment.
personally as long as no one else is being put to danger other than the drivers themselves (no different than sanctioned racing) then there is no reason to go attacking something that could be keeping people away from drugs and drunk driving.
for those idiots who do it on streets with many other people around. that is another issue. but can easily be solved by simply moving them somewhere else. problem solved and no more conflict created.
without a very specific set of guidelines for convicting someone of this act street racing cannot be charged on someone justly. i am not totally against crushing cars however that should be just like the death penalty a last resort punishment.
personally as long as no one else is being put to danger other than the drivers themselves (no different than sanctioned racing) then there is no reason to go attacking something that could be keeping people away from drugs and drunk driving.
for those idiots who do it on streets with many other people around. that is another issue. but can easily be solved by simply moving them somewhere else. problem solved and no more conflict created.
There are two drag strips in my town. Its roughly $20 to race all day, but the track closes at 8 or so. I think it is OUR responsibility as car enthusiests to push for later hours and lower fees. There are far too few tracks and for the cost its easier to just street race most days.
I wish cities would just build a 1 mi section of highway for the strip and leave it be. Don't spend the money on the related timing equipment. All you need is a couple pits, a parking lot, the strip, and a fenced in lot. Use of facility is at your own risk and its free.
I wish cities would just build a 1 mi section of highway for the strip and leave it be. Don't spend the money on the related timing equipment. All you need is a couple pits, a parking lot, the strip, and a fenced in lot. Use of facility is at your own risk and its free.
morbid
Hard-core CEG'er
Wow! You are very smare! Possibly more than anyone on the internet! Ok then, they should crush your car since you are for it and apparently lack any sense of humor.You are stupid. They're not going to just crush the car, not knowing who the owner is. They're going to prove ownership and THEN crush the car, idiot.
BTW: I think the law enforcement package on the police car would be a clear indicator of who actually owned the cop car.
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kscontourkid
Veteran CEG'er
There are two drag strips in my town. Its roughly $20 to race all day, but the track closes at 8 or so. I think it is OUR responsibility as car enthusiests to push for later hours and lower fees. There are far too few tracks and for the cost its easier to just street race most days.
I wish cities would just build a 1 mi section of highway for the strip and leave it be. Don't spend the money on the related timing equipment. All you need is a couple pits, a parking lot, the strip, and a fenced in lot. Use of facility is at your own risk and its free.
there you go these are the kind of ideas that cities need to come up with except there would have to be some sort of patrol posted to make sure it is not being abused or vandalized. that would be cheaper than all this advertising BS though and for multiple sites too.
im gonna do something like that when i get better money. buy a big plot of land build a raceway and drag strip as a proving ground for people to use and charge them maybe $10 a day to use it
elraido
I kant speel
there you go these are the kind of ideas that cities need to come up with except there would have to be some sort of patrol posted to make sure it is not being abused or vandalized. that would be cheaper than all this advertising BS though and for multiple sites too.
im gonna do something like that when i get better money. buy a big plot of land build a raceway and drag strip as a proving ground for people to use and charge them maybe $10 a day to use it
Who is going to maintain the strip? Someone is bound to leak fluids on it. Then you need to hire several people just to run the thing. A couple of maintence guys. One to collect/enforce the fees. Emergency crews etc.
And you know who is going to be paying for that? The taxpayer to start off with. And who knows how long it would take before they recouped enough money from the fees to have paid for it.....and by that time it would need to be redone.
kscontourkid
Veteran CEG'er
Who is going to maintain the strip? Someone is bound to leak fluids on it. Then you need to hire several people just to run the thing. A couple of maintence guys. One to collect/enforce the fees. Emergency crews etc.
And you know who is going to be paying for that? The taxpayer to start off with. And who knows how long it would take before they recouped enough money from the fees to have paid for it.....and by that time it would need to be redone.
yes all valid points but what you seem not to see is that they are spending hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars already on these stupid programs to "fight street racing" with little to no outcome. regardless of whether it works or not people will still do it so rather than fight it give them a safe place to do it that is affordable(key word there) and will promote people going there.
i am not saying this will solve the problem either. it will create a much stronger impact and a much longer lasting impact than what is trying to be done. and even though it will take a great amount of time and effort there will be a pay off once a set up like this is in place where as taking and crushing peoples cars and then advertising it is just wasting tax dollars that will never be seen again and will only fuel the fire.
dont fight fire with fire, fight fire with water. try something different trust me water works better.
Rara
Hard-core CEG'er
People are stupid and will street race regardless of the laws in place, or the punishments.
Did anyone ever stop to think that if a street racer knows his car will get crushed if he gets pulled over, that he just plain won't stop, and will run from the cops? I'm pretty sure high speed pursuits are a lot more dangerous than street racing. Seems like this whole car crushing deal is counter-productive.
Another factor is, the car itself doesn't matter, or enable someone to street race that might not have with a stock car, or something less "riced out". The car itself has nothing to do with the violation. Focus on penalties for the drivers themselves, that's the right way to combat it.
Another thing we need to do is stop allowing local tracks to be shut down by whining neighbors. Tracks all over the country have been shut down by the hundreds because people move into the neighborhood, and then complain about the noise. Stop letting this happen, and keep the tracks open, so the racers that don't really want to be illegal can have a place to race.
Did anyone ever stop to think that if a street racer knows his car will get crushed if he gets pulled over, that he just plain won't stop, and will run from the cops? I'm pretty sure high speed pursuits are a lot more dangerous than street racing. Seems like this whole car crushing deal is counter-productive.
Another factor is, the car itself doesn't matter, or enable someone to street race that might not have with a stock car, or something less "riced out". The car itself has nothing to do with the violation. Focus on penalties for the drivers themselves, that's the right way to combat it.
Another thing we need to do is stop allowing local tracks to be shut down by whining neighbors. Tracks all over the country have been shut down by the hundreds because people move into the neighborhood, and then complain about the noise. Stop letting this happen, and keep the tracks open, so the racers that don't really want to be illegal can have a place to race.
loc0gring0
Veteran CEG'er
they have tired this in springfield ma.. and the street racing never really stopped.. everyone just started building two cars 1 thats all done up but looks stock and the other one just stock. then there were running and have a friend driving the stock 1.. seemed to work out pretty well. now the cops dont do anything.. they just break up the racing and thats it
Lt_hailBob
Veteran CEG'er
So, if someone is caught street racing they crush the car. This isextreme measures taken because of the number of deaths caused by street racing. The number of deaths caused by street racing is pale in comparison to those caused by DUI. So then if someone gets a DUI, why shouldn't we crush their car too?
elraido
I kant speel
So then if someone gets a DUI, why shouldn't we crush their car too?
I think so....with them in the car if they kill someone. Or at least an arm or leg still in the machine while it is being crushed if they maime someone.
morbid
Hard-core CEG'er
Good point. A local autocrosser spent over $3 million building Arizona Motorsports Park (http://www.arizonamotorsportspark.com/). The facility is sweet.... it has a huge skid pad, a decent sized roadcourse, large paddocks, etc.... and is even just south of Luke Air Force Base.... which has F-16's flying around alot of the time. Despite the noise from the base... people in the area started complaining about the noise and the city pulled their permit. That was about 4 years ago now... and it was only open for about 1 year. He sued and got the permit back... but he's still not allowed to reopen yet. Most likely they'll shut him down, then he'll sue and make the city/county buy the facility and land from him. Nice waste of tax payer $$.Another thing we need to do is stop allowing local tracks to be shut down by whining neighbors. Tracks all over the country have been shut down by the hundreds because people move into the neighborhood, and then complain about the noise. Stop letting this happen, and keep the tracks open, so the racers that don't really want to be illegal can have a place to race.
Street racers are an easy target for their media campaign... and they usually don't have a ton of money. Imagine if they started crushing DUI offenders cars... do you think a high powered lawyer or judge would allow them to crush their not-so-cheap car without a long and expensive lawsuit?So, if someone is caught street racing they crush the car. This isextreme measures taken because of the number of deaths caused by street racing. The number of deaths caused by street racing is pale in comparison to those caused by DUI. So then if someone gets a DUI, why shouldn't we crush their car too?
kscontourkid
Veteran CEG'er
you want something to create a heavy penalty for that might actually help? ban cell phones behind the wheel as a federal offense. that would cut automotive deaths in half due to how many accidents are caused by the use of cell phones behind the wheel. i have to dodge more than a dozen cars in a one way 10 mile trip to my college every day because of idiots driving on a cell phone. if i had the money id have a big pickup with ram bars all around and id just run them over if they came into my lane. i swear if traffic enforcers actually did their job speeding would not be an issue. i did a study in high school about the main causes of accidents in my area. from my findings the major causes were not speed, not street racing, and not aggressive driving. the major causes were talking on a cell phone, disobeying traffic signs and not using indicators. so anyone who wants to say street racing is a huge problem try doing a little research before opening your mouth.
i do not intend to start fights with what i say. i am just stating facts.
i do not intend to start fights with what i say. i am just stating facts.
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So, if someone is caught street racing they crush the car. This isextreme measures taken because of the number of deaths caused by street racing. The number of deaths caused by street racing is pale in comparison to those caused by DUI. So then if someone gets a DUI, why shouldn't we crush their car too?
Why not just crush the DUI'ers? :shrug:
EuroTour
Hard-core CEG'er
The point I think a lot of you are missing is that most street racers don't race for "hey my car is faster than yours", they race for $$$. If the government got involved I think that this would take away from some of the the allure of street racing, which is essentially illegal gambling.
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