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SLotted rotors? Any good or costhmetic only?

Thanks for posting that Joe. I was thinking about getting drilled rotors myself soon. I have drilled and slotted right now and they're warped in the front. I've had them on the car for about 2 yrs not (~25k miles) without any issues besides warping. Pads still have plenty of life on them.
 
Ok after going through every post on this thread i can finally post with out looking like an idiot doing a double post.... I thought that the purpose of drilled and slotted rotors were for better braking but after reading what every one has said i don't know any more. I think that they would help with braking cause that's how brakes work is turn kinetic energy into heat energy and then from the heat dissipation is where we get our braking capabilities. So would not a drilled and slotted rotor dissipate that heat faster? In turn shortening stops? Or is every thing i know about brakes a lie?
 
Just get it out of your mind that drilled and slotted really do anything to improve braking. Real world application just doesn't bear this out.

The only real reason is for looks.
 
Ok after going through every post on this thread i can finally post with out looking like an idiot doing a double post.... I thought that the purpose of drilled and slotted rotors were for better braking but after reading what every one has said i don't know any more. I think that they would help with braking cause that's how brakes work is turn kinetic energy into heat energy and then from the heat dissipation is where we get our braking capabilities. So would not a drilled and slotted rotor dissipate that heat faster? In turn shortening stops? Or is every thing i know about brakes a lie?


OK Atleast someone made it through highschool.KUDOS
You are right on!
 
The reason is to dissipate heat under hard braking.

The original intent for drilled rotors WAY back, was to dissapate gases that would build up between the pad and the rotor during hard braking in order to avoid pad fade caused by the trapped gas. Pad formulations have changed significantly since then, and eliminated this gas buildup as an issue, even in racing pads.

Your statement, taken generically, is wrong. There are specific instances where it is true, but in general, it just doesn't work that way. There are some OEM and racing applications where the entire rotor is designed with the intent to have the holes drilled in the faces, and the airflow is modeled in such a way to take advantage of it. It takes a significant amount of work to make it effective. Even then, its only used in cases where it is necessary to have more rapid heat dissapation at the expense of rotor life. Applications such as racing and very high end sports cars.
When you consider passenger cars, using rotors not originally designed to take advantage of the drilled holes, you can actually REDUCE heat dissapation by removing the pressure differential between the inboard and outboard edges of the rotor vents, and drastically cutting bulk airflow through the rotor.
Even most of the OEM drilled rotors you see are still just done for appearance reasons, this includes OEM applications from Porsche, Ferrari, etc etc.

Slotted rotors are a different bag altogether, and have nothing to do with cooling. Slotted rotors were developed for racing applications in order to "scrub" the face of the pad in order to ensure a constantly refreshed pad surface. In cases where the pads can get "clogged" with scorched pad material, or even overly wet, this can improve initial brake bite, and sustained heavy braking can be a little more consistant. This is all at the expense of higher pad wear.

All that said, no rotors exist for Contours that were developed from the ground up to utilize drilled rotor faces. All of the drilled rotors you will encounter are done PURELY for appearance, despite whatever marketing claims you may hear. Even if they improved heat dissapation by 20% (the best data I have seen says no more than 10% is common) you wouldn't even have a chance at noticing it on a street driven car.
Even slotted rotors provide no viable benefit on a street driven car unless you have selected a very poor pad for your car. Street tires are the limiting factor in those cases, not the more aggressive initial bite possible with slotted rotors.

In conclusion, stop regurgitating old wives' tales, especially when you don't have experience in the area.
 
So would not a drilled and slotted rotor dissipate that heat faster? In turn shortening stops? Or is every thing i know about brakes a lie?

Let's pretend for a second that we have a best case application for drilled rotors, and it significantly helps with heat dissapation. Think about how much energy is pumped into the brake rotor as heat, and how quickly it goes in. Ever watch a race car in the dark and see how fast the rotors turn to glowing red? The heat takes orders of magnitude longer to radiate away from the rotor than it does to go into it, so heat dissapation isn't even noticable in the rotor until AFTER the driver has let off the brake, regardless of the cooling coefficient of the rotor. So, no matter how good your rotor cooling is, it won't help your stopping distance, it can only help put off fade, especially on repeated stops.
 
The original intent for drilled rotors WAY back, was to dissapate gases that would build up between the pad and the rotor during hard braking in order to avoid pad fade caused by the trapped gas. Pad formulations have changed significantly since then, and eliminated this gas buildup as an issue, even in racing pads.

Your statement, taken generically, is wrong. There are specific instances where it is true, but in general, it just doesn't work that way. There are some OEM and racing applications where the entire rotor is designed with the intent to have the holes drilled in the faces, and the airflow is modeled in such a way to take advantage of it. It takes a significant amount of work to make it effective. Even then, its only used in cases where it is necessary to have more rapid heat dissapation at the expense of rotor life. Applications such as racing and very high end sports cars.
When you consider passenger cars, using rotors not originally designed to take advantage of the drilled holes, you can actually REDUCE heat dissapation by removing the pressure differential between the inboard and outboard edges of the rotor vents, and drastically cutting bulk airflow through the rotor.
Even most of the OEM drilled rotors you see are still just done for appearance reasons, this includes OEM applications from Porsche, Ferrari, etc etc.

Slotted rotors are a different bag altogether, and have nothing to do with cooling. Slotted rotors were developed for racing applications in order to "scrub" the face of the pad in order to ensure a constantly refreshed pad surface. In cases where the pads can get "clogged" with scorched pad material, or even overly wet, this can improve initial brake bite, and sustained heavy braking can be a little more consistant. This is all at the expense of higher pad wear.

All that said, no rotors exist for Contours that were developed from the ground up to utilize drilled rotor faces. All of the drilled rotors you will encounter are done PURELY for appearance, despite whatever marketing claims you may hear. Even if they improved heat dissapation by 20% (the best data I have seen says no more than 10% is common) you wouldn't even have a chance at noticing it on a street driven car.
Even slotted rotors provide no viable benefit on a street driven car unless you have selected a very poor pad for your car. Street tires are the limiting factor in those cases, not the more aggressive initial bite possible with slotted rotors.

In conclusion, stop regurgitating old wives' tales, especially when you don't have experience in the area.

So heat dissapation isn't even noticable in the rotor until AFTER the driver has let off the brake?It is still there,so it serves a purpose.More than cosmetic,even from your own long a drawn out evaluation.
 
So heat dissapation isn't even noticable in the rotor until AFTER the driver has let off the brake?It is still there,so it serves a purpose.More than cosmetic,even from your own long a drawn out evaluation.


Except that drilled holes don't improve heat dissapation in 99+% of rotors out there. There are very few rotors designed properly to take advantage of holes in the braking surface. Most drilled rotors are actually worse for heat dissapation than thier plain faced counterparts.
 
Except that drilled holes don't improve heat dissapation in 99+% of rotors out there. There are very few rotors designed properly to take advantage of holes in the braking surface. Most drilled rotors are actually worse for heat dissapation than thier plain faced counterparts.

So only 1% of brake companys,got it right.Gotcha That is why Brembo,Baer,and Wilwood are Hotrod Household names.There are a few rotors out there,that is an understatement. Personally I say drilled and slotted are great, they dissipate heat.Just stay away from cheap Chinese eBay knock offs and you will be fine.Inferior steel means inferior performance.
 
So only 1% of brake companys,got it right.Gotcha That is why Brembo,Baer,and Wilwood are Hotrod Household names.There are a few rotors out there,that is an understatement. Personally I say drilled and slotted are great, they dissipate heat.Just stay away from cheap Chinese eBay knock offs and you will be fine.Inferior steel means inferior performance.

Except that Brembo doesn't generally design the drilled rotors to improve heat dissapation, pretty much just for appearance. Baer and Wilwood don't have the CFD capability to design them properly, and if you'll notice, the proper race setups, from all three of those companies, that would need them the most, don't have them.

Personally, I say they are fine to use if you understand thier limitations, and that for a street car, the only thing they can improve is the appearance.

If you don't believe me, a guy with quite a bit of experience designing and developing brake parts for an OEM, and working with a championship winning pro road race team, maybe our resident engineer from Brembo will chime in too.
 
Except that Brembo doesn't generally design the drilled rotors to improve heat dissapation, pretty much just for appearance. Baer and Wilwood don't have the CFD capability to design them properly, and if you'll notice, the proper race setups, from all three of those companies, that would need them the most, don't have them.

Personally, I say they are fine to use if you understand thier limitations, and that for a street car, the only thing they can improve is the appearance.

If you don't believe me, a guy with quite a bit of experience designing and developing brake parts for an OEM, and working with a championship winning pro road race team, maybe our resident engineer from Brembo will chime in too.

Even a minimal improvement is still an improvement.
 
Well then, I have some unwarped front drilled rotors if you want to buy them :shrug::laugh:.
 
Even a minimal improvement is still an improvement.

Except it in most cases, including ALL cases for contour rotors, it isn't an improvement. The holes decrease the pressure diffierential from the inside to the outside of the vents, dropping overall cooling airflow, which DECREASES heat rejection from the rotor. Not to mention adding lots and lots of stress concentrations all across the face of the rotor leading to inevitable cracking.

Seriously, are you this dense? Or did you just spend a bunch of money on drilled rotors and are doing everything you can to justify the purchase in your mind?
 
Even a minimal improvement is still an improvement.

That entirely depends on what you mean by minimal improvement. In your mind holes and slots means better cooling but in reality the existing vents in the rotors are what is doing the cooling.
 
Even a minimal improvement is still an improvement.

What you are not catching here is that if not done right, there not only is no improvement, there is an actual degradation at least in part due to the loss of rotor mass.

So minimal improvement, maybe. No significant difference in most street driven applications, more likely. An improvement in racing applications, minimal or not, only in your dreams or only if the rest of the car is set up to take advantage of the needed ventilation, and even then only if the drilling was done properly.
 
and even then only if the drilling was done properly.

And not just the holes, but the internal vane structure of the rotor has to be designed to make good use of the holes to increase airflow, rather than decrease it.

I'm surprised this guy hasn't tried to tell us that the holes are cast-in . . . that was an old wives' tale that really took hold for awhile too.
 
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