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The only reason ADC did a tighter bend was to collect the wastgate into the downpipe. The angle is more like 110 degrees and the 2.5 will mate up to another 90 degree to keep it tighter to the tranny I am routing mine near the control arms bolts to keep ground clearnaces. The only reason for having a tighter bend is to clear the drier and temp sensor. Stay tuned for the proof.
 
yeah well I'm still on the fence about it. I hated myself for selling my 99, so I'm just making sure that I dont regret it if I sell it
 
I have a question regarding the colder climate with a turbo...As far as during the colder months here in WI, will I experience any negative effect as a result of a turbo kit on my car?

Please PM me so that I don't fll this thread up with junk. Figured I'd post it here cause most people interested here would most likely know more about turbo kits than I do...

Thanks
 
I guess I am trying to keep from subtracting stuff like xcal2 because it will be mandatory for the kit to work one way or the other. I am very sure you can find someone who will buy the xcal2 for nearly retail since it is new. Just find someone who needs one and sell it to them. I am selling the kit complete if you have injectors etc. Just sell them to someone I promise you won't lose much money on it. In order for me to keep the prices where they will be cheaper I need to buy in bulk and if I have stuff on the shelf as overstock then that is bad business to have large stock since people want to subtract the parts from the kit. So either way I up the price since i can't buy in bulk and you pay a hundred or so more than I want due to higher cost or just sell off the part new in the box to someone and keep the kit price low budget.
 
BurritaSVT said:
I guess I am trying to keep from subtracting stuff like xcal2 because it will be mandatory for the kit to work one way or the other. I am very sure you can find someone who will buy the xcal2 for nearly retail since it is new. Just find someone who needs one and sell it to them. I am selling the kit complete if you have injectors etc. Just sell them to someone I promise you won't lose much money on it. In order for me to keep the prices where they will be cheaper I need to buy in bulk and if I have stuff on the shelf as overstock then that is bad business to have large stock since people want to subtract the parts from the kit. So either way I up the price since i can't buy in bulk and you pay a hundred or so more than I want due to higher cost or just sell off the part new in the box to someone and keep the kit price low budget.
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I still think that the XCAL should be an optional item. Many people have them already, and it would suck to have to sell something off at a loss no doubt, because we HAD to buy it. I understand how it is with injectors, or intercoolers, etc. But with XCALs its a bit different. there are prolyl a few people that have some iinjectors, a few that have this or that piece, but XCALs are used by half the people that are interested in this kit already.
 
Ok I will consult with Tom and More likely we exclude this piece from the kit since maybe someone wants to do a flip-chip with someone else or xcal2 with a tuner of their choice. We will price our xcal comparable to others but make the tune less expensive with the kit. I will make the call that this will be the new plan. Like I said before i am here for suggestions and you definitly made a valid point. But the rest of the kit will remain the same and the tuning choices will be at the buyer choice.

Thanks Joey
 
BurritaSVT said:
Ok I will consult with Tom and More likely we exclude this piece from the kit since maybe someone wants to do a flip-chip with someone else or xcal2 with a tuner of their choice. We will price our xcal comparable to others but make the tune less expensive with the kit. I will make the call that this will be the new plan. Like I said before i am here for suggestions and you definitly made a valid point. But the rest of the kit will remain the same and the tuning choices will be at the buyer choice.

Thanks Joey
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I completely agree with that, others should as well.
 
FWIW,

I don't agree with the XCAL unit being not-included. I can tell you that I don't know enough about the units to make sure that I purchased the correct one to go with the kit. I understand that people do not want to have to be hassled with selling off one due to it being included in the kit, but I think it would be better overall for the kit if it was included. I am very much looking forward to this. thanks.
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I think that the Xcal2 should be included in the kit. Becouse there are more people that don´t have it that people that have it yet.
And if the kit will be more expensive for this cause. I prefeer that it be included. For example in Spain, I know all modified Cougars here, all it are CTC members and no one have the Xcal2, and I think that we will buy 4 or 5 in the first year.
 
i think its a good idea not to include it but have it as an option that way in your area you dont have 5-10 people with an xcal2 that all do the same thing. when where if one person were to buy it or everyone chips in to get it that way your not paying for all of it but you get to use the tune.
 
yamaha racer 686 said:
i think its a good idea not to include it but have it as an option that way in your area you dont have 5-10 people with an xcal2 that all do the same thing. when where if one person were to buy it or everyone chips in to get it that way your not paying for all of it but you get to use the tune.
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yes except for when you use an Xcal2 it becomes locked to that particular car until you restore the stock program ... then you can use in on another car ... so as I understand it there is no sharing ...
 
You know what? I just bought an XCal2 off ebay based on inputs from Tom. When I saw that deal, I pm him and let him know that I will be buying the turbo kit, and asked him should I be getting the unit now or later together with the kit.

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I've bought your big brake kit, and I am affirmative that I will be getting the new Turbo kit from you and Burrita.
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Please advise. If you think it's good to get the unit now, then please tell me how much you charge for a basic tune. ... However, I do look forward to your new Turbo kit, so maybe just wait a little bit longer and get it all together?
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And his reply:
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Honestly? Buy the xcal2 unit as soon as possible before the deal is gone. You can use it both NA and turbo ...
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Also in one of your very early post you said
BurritaSVT said:
I will tell you guys the price I am looking at is at about 2500.00 to 2700.00 to sell it a complete kit now the only exception to price break if you have a xcal2 since we only will tune with this peice. Also if you have injectors then sell yours or the new ones I will not make a turn key kit so that I am not left with parts on the shelf.
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So I jumped the wagon and ordered it. It will be a really awkward situation that I need to re-sell the unit. If it had been made clear that the whole kit comes with the XCal2 which is not separable then I wouldn't even bother to ask Tom at first place, and just wait for the kit.

I totally respect your view on not to have too many options, and have leftover parts on the shelf. But the XCal2 unit is slightly different, not like the turbo or piping, it is physically and logically separable away from the other parts. For example, you could price like this: (all the numbers arbitrarily made up)

Stage 1 Kit: $2300 (no change in any part and not separable)
XCal2 + tune: Add $500
S.S. option: Add $250
Stage 2: Add $$$

etc.

People who have XCal2 and want to have a tune will contact Tom and make arrangement with him with or without turbo kit. I have already made preliminary arrangement with him that I will be buying both NA and turbo tune from him, so what I expect here will be base stage 1, with SS option and stage 2 upgrade (for 3L).
 
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Svt3391 I agree with you the kit will be a price and the xcal2 will be extra I am going to take off the normal price of the kit with tune. The xcal2 was going to be included in kit before and as some know you can't get xcal2 cheaper than the manafacturer want the distributors to sell it. Another words the kit was going to be close to 2800.00 with xcal2 with tune. Now you are right the tuning software and handheld easily cost 400- 500 from anyone and that is just the price motorsports sell them for. I am shooting for the kit to cost 2300-2400 with all hardware minus xcal2. Guys I am going to sell the kit fair and the xcal2 at lower than average. I even looking into getting Turboneics turbo for the kit a much better turbo than garrett, trust me. It will have warranty and have polished housings and better fitments.

In my opinion I think any kit below 3000.00 if you disagree tell me one option out there that will give you the torque and hp a true turbo kit will give you. So basically I am going to seperate the price between xcal2, ss , stage 2 (includes larger injectors MAF etc.)
 
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as some know you can't get xcal2 cheaper than the manafacturer want the distributors to sell it.
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I do know about that. Actually in my original post (I then edited it out cause I thought the info may not be relevant) had this:
Almost all ECU reflasher/programmer manufacturers (for example, SCT, Cobb Tuning, etc.) require the reseller to sign a contract to sell the unit at MSRP. The only leeway a reseller can have is free shipping. So even you guys can get a volume discount on the XCal2s, you are still required to sell at about MSRP. However, you can definitely have bundle deal with the tune, in which you do not break the agreement with SCT because there is no listing how much you charge for the XCal2 itself.
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So we are in line considering the pricing policies. This way, people who have no prior experience nor owning an XCal2 (Doug, I mean you :) ) don't have to worry about getting the wrong product. And for those who already own their units, it's a welcome news (considering seeing a lot of XCal2 units popping out in forum classified and ebay at the same time, which no doubt will lower the selling prices, let alone the hassle of selling them).

So now the only question -- when we can see the product ready? :laugh:
 
i will indeed need an xcal with mine, the ole apexi doesnt cut it for my tastes, but for 80 bucks i like it. so when i get the xcal, should i set my apexi to 0 and use it to watch what it watches or just straight get rid of it?
 
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