Just came back from the strip...

[Manimillion]

but thats not a minimal mod list tho. he's done pretty much the largest power adder mods to our platform without the benefit of FI. in all honestly, i cant think of anyone in that time range except demon.

demon would be the one.

He has so called headwork done ...

This car is still on stock timing tables, A/F is still needs to be worked on, the stock MAF is a restriction, the TB doesn't open fully, his hot air intake under the engine bay doesn't help either...

13.5@104.7 on his first run after driving for 2 hours! Without letting the car to cool down.

I guess you guys don't understand a lot of things here. :shrug: No wonder half the people are stuck at 14.5's.

 

[RawBurt]

I guess you guys don't understand a lot of things here. :shrug:

I'm confused :shrug: :laugh:

13.5 is great!!

 

[elraido]

He has so called headwork done ...

This car is still on stock timing tables, A/F is still needs to be worked on, the stock MAF is a restriction, the TB doesn't open fully, his hot air intake under the engine bay doesn't help either...

13.5@104.7 on his first run after driving for 2 hours! Without letting the car to cool down.

I guess you guys don't understand a lot of things here. :shrug: No wonder half the people are stuck at 14.5's.

That drag radials can cut a good chunk of time off our runs? :laugh: Because whenever I see a low time on these cars they always have drag radials on...everyone else is running street tires, and when a cars largest problem is traction (and axles doh!) that can make a huge difference.

 

[Y2KSVT]

He has so called headwork done ...

This car is still on stock timing tables, A/F is still needs to be worked on, the stock MAF is a restriction, the TB doesn't open fully, his hot air intake under the engine bay doesn't help either...

13.5@104.7 on his first run after driving for 2 hours! Without letting the car to cool down.

I guess you guys don't understand a lot of things here. :shrug: No wonder half the people are stuck at 14.5's.

So what's the secret? Everyone else that swaps in a 3.0L with just headers-back and an intake are making ~185 - 190whp. How is he making an additional 40-50whp without headwork, a tune, or even a fully-functioning throttle body? It'd be nice to see everyone else follow his same build and try to improve on it.

Mark

 

[rac74]

So what's the secret? Everyone else that swaps in a 3.0L with just headers-back and an intake are making ~185 - 190whp. How is he making an additional 40-50whp without headwork, a tune, or even a fully-functioning throttle body? It'd be nice to see everyone else follow his same build and try to improve on it.

Mark

The build simply includes a wise choice of components and calibration which still needs to be finalized (factory timing curves!). A few other mechanical tweeks should get the car in the low 13's on a good run. The trap speed itself should be indicative of the power available.

To add, aside from a a clean-up of the machined areas (bowl - valve seat - chamber) there is not much more that could be realisticly done by a DIY'er on the heads. The factory ports are a good design as is and short of doing further CFD modelling, wet flow testing, etc... I wouldn't touch the ports beyond what I've mentioned above.

 

[SVT SNOB]

So what's the secret? Everyone else that swaps in a 3.0L with just headers-back and an intake are making ~185 - 190whp. How is he making an additional 40-50whp without headwork, a tune, or even a fully-functioning throttle body? It'd be nice to see everyone else follow his same build and try to improve on it.

Mark

He builds possessed motors:laugh:. I'm hoping to add a few more things to my SVT to keep rasiing the bar. Can't say that his motor is fluke build, as mine with very minimal mods put down so damn good numbers too. It's nice to see a motor with minimal mods compete with Demons car .

Aaron

 

[Manimillion]

That drag radials can cut a good chunk of time off our runs? :laugh: Because whenever I see a low time on these cars they always have drag radials on...everyone else is running street tires, and when a cars largest problem is traction (and axles doh!) that can make a huge difference.

In drag racing, the 60 foot time indicates your traction off the line. 2.27 is achievable with bald street tires, it is just how you launch your car.

Watch the video, you can see how easy he is launching, the drag radials can get around a 2.00 60 foot time, which would mean it should generally take off around 0.40 seconds off his ET.

So therefore, generaly, your launch can make the difference, even if you have slicks and you sping all the way through, it wont make a difference.

 

[Manimillion]

So what's the secret? Everyone else that swaps in a 3.0L with just headers-back and an intake are making ~185 - 190whp. How is he making an additional 40-50whp without headwork, a tune, or even a fully-functioning throttle body? It'd be nice to see everyone else follow his same build and try to improve on it.

Mark

Hey Mark, there is no secret. Everyone else is not running the same setup, they are runing differnet setups. There are other cars with similar setups who make similar power.

And I have not said his throttle body isn't functioning, it is just not opening up fully, it only opens up 95%, which is restriction.

Look at my car, my car is still on stock heads, stock intake manifold, and stock exhaust manifold, and it runs 10's. Has been running 10's for the past 2 years, and being daily driven.

The problem is that some people don't want to mod a fuel rail to use the stock heads, but go through the trouble of porting heads, matching ports by eyeballing, without having proper knowledge of what they are doing. I wouldn't touch a head if my life depended on it, I'd leave it to professionals who know what they are doing and have experience in doing so.

He has been defending this all along, and some people here have been arguing this over, he has posted time slips, videos and his setup, and still those people aren't satisfied with all this that oval port is a much better set up then a split port set up. In the end, he is posting everything on here for your good too, sharing his knowledge and setup so everybody here can do so too. I hope no body is taking this stuff personally, I and I am sure Nima too, would love every single contour enthusiast out there making more power.

 

[biminiLX]

Did you guys weigh the car at the track?
Any weight loss other than the wheels been done?
If he truly does get that 60' down to 2.0 range he might see 12.99 in perfect conditions.
I'd like to see him try a bias-ply ET Street/Drag slick, but not possible with those brakes I'd guess.
-J

 

[Manimillion]

He builds possessed motors:laugh:. I'm hoping to add a few more things to my SVT to keep rasiing the bar. Can't say that his motor is fluke build, as mine with very minimal mods put down so damn good numbers too. It's nice to see a motor with minimal mods compete with Demons car .

Aaron

No Aaron you got it all wrong, it is all the result of my magic wand! I touch engines with my magic wand, and the gods of horsepower quickly responds and sends a few more ponies down.

But sssssssshhhhhhh this is a secret, don't tell anyone

 

[Manimillion]

Did you guys weigh the car at the track?
Any weight loss other than the wheels been done?
If he truly does get that 60' down to 2.0 range he might see 12.99 in perfect conditions.
I'd like to see him try a bias-ply ET Street/Drag slick, but not possible with those brakes I'd guess.
-J

Good note, there is no weight reduction done on this car, the only thing that is missing, spare tire, jack and the tire iron. In addition he is running 13" brakes which is heavier then stock.

He just has to have a couple more passes and he can improve those 60 foots.

Plus this car is heavier then an SVT and has a sunroof too. Because at those years they weren't decontented yet.

EDIT : Oh I forgot his carbon fibre hood.

 

[elraido]

In drag racing, the 60 foot time indicates your traction off the line. 2.27 is achievable with bald street tires, it is just how you launch your car.

Watch the video, you can see how easy he is launching, the drag radials can get around a 2.00 60 foot time, which would mean it should generally take off around 0.40 seconds off his ET.

So therefore, generaly, your launch can make the difference, even if you have slicks and you sping all the way through, it wont make a difference.

i sucks at the launching. :laugh:

 

[Harrry]

Don't be naive and start making this disrespect full accusations about people here never hitting anything faster than 14.5's. Cut that bs out and keep the conversation going.

Demon is running a split port and this guy is running an oval port with an st220 intake manifold. Blacks car should be faster and if your talking about 1/4 mile runs.....demon obviously did a great job getting his 1/4 time on street tires on stock rims. It's not just the car it's what he did driving the thing

Don't say it has no tune, it has a base tune, it's like the 100's of other people on here running a 3l still off the svt pcm. Nima added a tune already, yes it needs work. But don't act like it's running off the 95 pcm

 

[Manimillion]

Don't be naive and start making this disrespect full accusations about people here never hitting anything faster than 14.5's. Cut that bs out and keep the conversation going.

Demon is running a split port and this guy is running an oval port with an st220 intake manifold. Blacks car should be faster and if your talking about 1/4 mile runs.....demon obviously did a great job getting his 1/4 time on street tires on stock rims. It's not just the car it's what he did driving the thing

Don't say it has no tune, it has a base tune, it's like the 100's of other people on here running a 3l still off the svt pcm. Nima added a tune already, yes it needs work. But don't act like it's running off the 95 pcm

What's the disrespect?

FYI, Nima is my brother, I know about his car a little more then you do.

Don't be such a cry baby, Deamon was running on drag radials too, but for some reason I have never seen his time slip or a video of the run. Plus there is weight reduction done on his car.

Nima did his own tune, so I think he knows a little bit about the tune more then you do.

And his car is a 96, so it wouldn't run with a 95pcm, shows how much you know what you are talking about.

It seems that some people get offended just like sore loser would.

 

[TheMexicanJob]

ya, jeez harry, stop acting so stupid or i'll smack you at stu's.



credit goes to both of you guys, you both made great runs, especially for a contour. mani is just another silver new edge mustang in the 10's :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[BAD SVT]

He has so called headwork done ...

This car is still on stock timing tables, A/F is still needs to be worked on, the stock MAF is a restriction, the TB doesn't open fully, his hot air intake under the engine bay doesn't help either...

13.5@104.7 on his first run after driving for 2 hours! Without letting the car to cool down.

I guess you guys don't understand a lot of things here. :shrug: No wonder half the people are stuck at 14.5's.

okaaaay...

In drag racing, the 60 foot time indicates your traction off the line. 2.27 is achievable with bald street tires, it is just how you launch your car.

Watch the video, you can see how easy he is launching, the drag radials can get around a 2.00 60 foot time, which would mean it should generally take off around 0.40 seconds off his ET.

So therefore, generaly, your launch can make the difference, even if you have slicks and you sping all the way through, it wont make a difference.

i agree. his launch was good. no one is saying a good launch isnt crucial. u'd have to be an idiot to think so. slicks and DRs help tremendously.

 

[BAD SVT]

What's the disrespect?

FYI, Nima is my brother, I know about his car a little more then you do.

Don't be such a cry baby, Deamon was running on drag radials too, but for some reason I have never seen his time slip or a video of the run. Plus there is weight reduction done on his car.

Nima did his own tune, so I think he knows a little bit about the tune more then you do.

And his car is a 96, so it wouldn't run with a 95pcm, shows how much you know what you are talking about.

It seems that some people get offended just like sore loser would.

hey mani. i've go to agree with harry. it was disrespectful. i just didnt take offense to it. i imagined someone would tho. and i dont think harry was thinking nima has a 95 pcm. he was only trying to make the point that the car isnt as untuned as u made believe.

 

[BAD SVT]

ya, jeez harry, stop acting so stupid or i'll smack you at stu's.



credit goes to both of you guys, you both made great runs, especially for a contour. mani is just another silver new edge mustang in the 10's :laugh::laugh::laugh:

the sad part is you five-oh will outlive all of us coz of ur humorous view on everything.:laugh: doesnt hurt too that u're asian. u guys live like 200yrs and only look 60.

 

[Manimillion]

hey mani. i've go to agree with harry. it was disrespectful. i just didnt take offense to it. i imagined someone would tho. and i dont think harry was thinking nima has a 95 pcm. he was only trying to make the point that the car isnt as untuned as u made believe.

I can say it is desrespectful of him too, to come and tell me what I have said isn't true, which would make me a liar.

Ok, have you guys seen the car run personally that you are assuming the car has a good tune?

I have driven and seen the car, seen his datalogs that is how I can comment on his tune. You guys are just commenting based on your assumptions.

It is on stock timing tables! Does this make sense to you? If it doesn't then you should try to read up before commenting about his tune.

 

[TheMexicanJob]

the sad part is you five-oh will outlive all of us coz of ur humorous view on everything.:laugh:

bettah rekanize foo!

I can say it is desrespectful of him too, to come and tell me what I have said isn't true, which would make me a liar.

Ok, have you guys seen the car run personally that you are assuming the car has a good tune?

I have driven and seen the car, seen his datalogs that is how I can comment on his tune. You guys are just commenting based on your assumptions.

It is on stock timing tables! Does this make sense to you? If it doesn't then you should try to read up before commenting about his tune.

you are a liar, i watch the car while it sleeps, i'll give you a stock time table to the baby makers. this does not make sense. i will comment on whatever i damn well please. :laugh:


that being said, i still want a 10 second new edge, regardless of popularity. and i knew i'd never get a tour into 13's, so i bought a mustang, then i sold it, cause it pissed me off. not sure where i'm going with this anymore.


harry still sucks.